[greywolf]

It's much the same technique I've used for 175 singles to 900 twins with carbs. Motorcycles engines, especially mid to low displacement singles and twins, do not put out strong enough or numerous enough power pulses to putt along at idle, especially considering they need to be balanced as well. The worst case I ever had was a Yamaha XS1000E due to it having so much power coming off idle and a lot of drive line lash. I taught MSF courses for a few years and using the clutch to control low speeds was a part of the curriculum.

 

[theBigPpaz]

you guys are friggin kidding right? the 650 has poor FI??? no. seems like the 650 has poor riders. here lets take a look....

Carburation - turn throttle, open butterflys, suck air into system, suck gas in with it, engine runs faster.

FI - turn throttle, engine goes faster.

if you think the 650 is jumpy at low speeds, come drive my 1K. let me get the crash bars installed first, though.

listen to Pat. use the clutch. use the brake. learn to ride your bike. stop bitching about it.

P.

 

[Chewy]

QUOTE: "Yes the poor fuel injection on the DL 650 can be overcome by a skilled rider. It's a shame that we have to. Abrupt power delivery has been engineered out of many EFI bikes with more than double the power of a DL 650." :QUOTE





My last two new bikes, both Suzukis, had F.I. and ran flawlessly.....a 2005 Boulevard and my current 08' DL-650.

 

[Starfleet]

Gotta agree with Greywolf and bigP on this one. Nothing really wrong with the fuel injection on these bikes. Electronic fuel injection on many bikes and even cars can be a little sensitive when rolling on and off throttle...but it's easy to get used to it. The Wee and Vee are not much different to any other bike with injection. It's proper throttle and clutch control that is essential to smooth riding. I'm not suggesting slipping the clutch in any gear other than 1st. But careful synchronisation of throttle and clutch will pay dividends. It's just practice. Enjoy the bike!

 

[Xavier6162]

Got my new '09 Wee last week. Maybe it's just because I've never had a bike with this much torque, but the throttle seems very sensitive; just a little bit of twisting gives me a big change in engine speed. Going over bumps in second or third gear can be especially jerky because it's hard to hold the throttle steady.

I put on a throttle rocker yesterday and that helps some, but not enough. I can't even imagine what the DL1K is like in this regard. Is there a way to adjust throttle sensitivity, or perhaps there's some technique that I'm missing?

Rod

The Wee does not have a sensitive throttle when compared to a Burgman 650 off idle or while corning (very scary) or the SV650 at all settings. What you are feeling in second and third gear is the difference in the power generated between the Burgman 650 and Wee Strom.

Due to the Burgman's lack of power while underway you have to really twist the throttle with a good portion of it at WOT in order to get it moving. Just keep that in mind, and you’ll do fine. Also don’t hold the grip so tight and remember that you now have a clutch. So, unlike the Burgman 650, you can always cut power from the transmission or feather power (as well as feather engine breaking - something you can't do on a Burgman) to your will.

I can tell you this because my ride prior to the Wee Strom, like you, was a Burgman 650. You’ll also find the Wee excels over the Burgman 650 in all performance areas. That includes comfort and especially slow speed maneuvers and daily commuting scenarios and most importantly, there is no high frequency buzz numb right hand form that smoother in-line engine. Best part is not having to use rear brakes at the same time as using throttle in order to maneuver that 650lb beast (very scary and unnatural).

But you’ll miss the storage capacity…but not the bumpy harsh ride and overactive engine breaking that’ll launch you over the handle bars without notice.

You'll also find that despite it's top heaviness, the Wee is much easier to ride/move around/maneuver (and you'll feel 100% safer), cheaper and eaiser to live with, work on and modify.

 

[Mortaine]

If you cannot control the throttle of a Vee or Wee perhaps you should not be riding a motorcycle.

GW
Perhaps its a age induced shake that prevents proper coordination:mrgreen::mrgreen:

 

[Mortaine]

Yes the poor fuel injection on the DL 650 can be overcome by a skilled rider. It's a shame that we have to. Abrupt power delivery has been engineered out of many EFI bikes with more than double the power of a DL 650.

Greywolf you are the first person I've ever heard suggest that 3000 rpm and slipping the clutch is good low speed tecnique. I think it's only necessary because of a flawed EFI system.

moto I think lack of operator skill is more of a problem then the fuel injection on these bikes. Don't know if you are old enough or remember the Suzuki TM400R you should try controling one of those evil handling POS when the automatic timing advance went from 8 degrees to 28 degrees at 3000 RPM's instead of the correct 5000 RPM"s.

 

[Guest]

LMAO! This is gettin' good...

 

[Xavier6162]

If you cannot control the throttle of a Vee or Wee perhaps you should not be riding a motorcycle.

GW
Perhaps its a age induced shake that prevents proper coordination:mrgreen::mrgreen:

I agree the Wee is pretty tame when it comes to throttle sensitivity. But in prospective, he is coming off a 40HP 650lb Scooter to a motorcycle. He is experiencing power on demand as oppose to the WOT count to 10 method.

 

[Heavy]

LMAO! This is gettin' good...

Come on Shep, you know you bought the 1000 because you were afraid of the abrupt delivery of the massive amount of torque from the 650.

 

[greywolf]

Geez. Weight and power don't factor in a lot here. The Burgman has a CVT transmission, not a clutch. The CVT does the slipping for the rider. Later models, at least, are fuel injected anyway.

 

[ladukebob]

My 05 650 had that surprising off on feel in the throttle response. It helped quite a bit when I adjusted the throttle cables and took a little play out of them. But it still had it a little but you get used to it. Now my 07 is much better for whatever reason and is hardly noticeable.

 

[rodr]

I agree the Wee is pretty tame when it comes to throttle sensitivity. But in prospective, he is coming off a 40HP 650lb Scooter to a motorcycle. He is experiencing power on demand as oppose to the WOT count to 10 method.

Actually I came from a Burgman 400 (a mere 400 pounds), but the point is well taken.

As for "age induced shake," I'm not there yet. But for those of you who want to make fun of us old farts, just remember you'll be one some day! :mrgreen:

Rod

 

[Big B]

You want to see the true meaning of sensitive throttle? Go ride one of these, be sure to have a depends on.:mrgreen:

http://www.arcticcat.com/snow/snow.asp?category=4STROKEPERFORMANCE&model=Z1TURBOSNOPRO

 

[theBigPpaz]

You want to see the true meaning of sensitive throttle? Go ride one of these, be sure to have a depends on.:mrgreen:

http://www.arcticcat.com/snow/snow.asp?category=4STROKEPERFORMANCE&model=Z1TURBOSNOPRO

Yikes. a 170hp sled. wow.

P

 

[Xavier6162]

Geez. Weight and power don't factor in a lot here. The Burgman has a CVT transmission, not a clutch. The CVT does the slipping for the rider. Later models, at least, are fuel injected anyway.

You would think so. But it doesn't (Referring to the 650..the 400 is a much easier bike to control.) Off idle response is abrupt. Mid corning CVT adjustments (tranny lash about 12 MPH) are harsh. The Burgman has three speeds. Zero (idle), snap to 12 MPH, then all other speed afterwards.

Continues speeds below 12 MPH have to be control with both throttle and back brakes simultaneously. Engine braking is harsh and abrupt at slow speeds. You can’t coast. You are either at speed at 12 MPH or engine breaking or throttling while back braking. The Burgman is a very peculiar machine that takes a long while to get use too.

What makes it so annoying has more to do with the crappy suspension coupled with its excessive weight than the abruptness of power delivery. The SV650 is abrupt on and off throttle. More so than the Burgman but in a fun way. The SV650 is about 250lbs lighter. And its suspension won’t try to buck you off the bike when the abruptness occurs.

 

[Xavier6162]

Actually I came from a Burgman 400 (a mere 400 pounds), but the point is well taken.

As for "age induced shake," I'm not there yet. But for those of you who want to make fun of us old farts, just remember you'll be one some day! :mrgreen:

Rod

Well that explains a lot. The 400 is a very easy and tame bike to ride. Not to mention the best kept secret for fun commuters. By far the 400 is the best commuter out there (60+ MPG). And super fun to ride when not on the freeway at 80+ MPH.

It I had started out on the Burgman 400 I'd still have it today. The Burgman 400 is easier to ride than the Wee. But there are a lot of places and situations I would not take it.

Compared to the Burgman 400, the Wee IS an abrupt monster.

Hang in there Rod. It gets better. A whole lot better.

 

[Guest]

Come on Shep, you know you bought the 1000 because you were afraid of the abrupt delivery of the massive amount of torque from the 650.

Yup, I sure was terrified by all the Wee had to offer. :var_39:

 

[motovita]

As much as I see that advice, I'll disagree. I have extra slack in my throttle to allow better action from my electronic cruise control. The return cable is only used if the return spring breaks or the pull cable gets very sticky. 99% of the time, you could remove the return cable and it would make no difference as long as there is tension on the pull cable. People who have low speed problems have yet to learn to use a combination of clutch, throttle and brake, usually the rear, to slow ride. The bike needs about 3000rpm for good power pulses and people try riding it at idle with the clutch lever all the way out. That's just poor technique, carb or FI.

So I went for a cross country ride in the desert today and looked at my tach as I was working through the washes. Whaddayaknow 3000 RPM, you called it. I wouldn't have thought I was reving it that high.
I must say my clutch hand gets quite tired though, maybe I need to excercise it more like some of the semi professional wankers we seem to have on board here.:bom_chinese:

 

[Thom]

torque

Yeah, it's built to have a lot of low-end torque (for off road). You'll learn to love the friction zone, but you'll get the hang of it!