Yes

Did one and realized this bike is not intended to do this sort of move. It would take many $$$ to make it stable from its stock form.

I would not recommend doing one the front is soooo soft that you had better hang on real good or else.


Ray...

 

I want to have some idea what to expect when I do some stopping practice.

That statement just shows how stupid your post is.
If you do not know what to expect and you have to practice braking and you want to do stoppies then your Strom will rapidly head the way of your Brugman.
I hope that you are not hurt and that you do not hurt anybody else in the process.

 

That statement just shows how stupid your post is.

No, it just shows how jaded you are my friend:sad1:. I'm sorry you woke up on the wrong side of the bed. But you obviously had no intention of helping my fellow new Strom owner today. He specifically says "when I do some stopping practice". After not riding for a few years I decided to take the MSF class to try to re-acquire some skills. I seem to remember this weekend doing a great deal of "stopping practice". I also recall one of the instructors saying "we're having you practice stopping a lot, it's kind of important".

I got on here today to ask the same question:
When I practice my emergency braking manuevers (way away from anyone else or their property), am I in danger of doing a stoppie on this bike?

I sincerely hope that last night is not the last time hotshoetom ever logs into this board again.

 

I think he just wants to know the extent of the wees front brakes before he goes out and does some drills. Not 'can i do sum ubar tite suntz wif my bike yo?'

 

On the stock pads with the stock springs it will be much easier to lock and slide the front then to stoppie. My bike now has race tech springs and the best pads I could get, it will lift the back wheel during a hard stop.

-GW

 

I don't see how suspension would effect the difference between doing a slide or a stoppie ? Good brakes and sticky tire = stoppie, Good brakes and hard tire = slide however if the pads tended to stick all of a sudden then I guess it would go past the stoppie point and end up locked ?
I did a lock and slide on a 125 in India last winter. I would rather have a bike that is more capable of a stoppie than a lock up.

 

Thanks for the kind words Khaz, and Graywolf, thanks for the really useful information. I don't want to be surprised by the bike doing something unexpected. I had a situation the other day that left me wishing that I had a better idea of where the braking limit is on this bike. The front forks do compress a LOT under braking, something that didnt really seem to happen on my old burgman, so it feels very different. I would also guess that the back brake tends to lock pretty easily given all the weight transfer to the front of the bike.

Many thanks for the help guys...

Cheers!

 

Hey graywolf, which brand are those best front pads you use? I am pretty close to changing tires and figure it'll be a good time to replace them. I also want the best in the brake department and value your opinion. You remind me of my former neighbor that used to help me work on my van. (Butt kissing session over)

 

Practising low and high speed "panic stops" in an open area or empty section of road is something we should all do.

I (even after over 35 years of riding) practise on a regular basis. I have found that the Wee will indeed do a stoppee if I really get on the brakes hard. The key is to learn to very minutely modulate your brakes to prevent this occurance.

Only through practice will you gain this valuable experience.

Consider upgrading your front springs with Sonics (or the brand of your choosing) to eliminate much of the dive, a fork brace and the best pads you can get. I suggest either EBC or SBS.

The non-ABS Wee has a tendancy for the rear wheel to lock up fairly easily, especially with the stock pads. I have found using SBS that I do get a more linear feel, helping me modulate the rear wheel much better than with the stock pads.

Your original question is not only valid, but indicates you wish to learn how to safely stop your bike in those situations. Atta boy!

cheers!

 

Don't jump down K1W1's throat. His intentions are good.
He's just looking out for the safety of a rider who "totalled" a Burgman.

I mean, really, stoppies on a Strom? You gotta go waaaaay out of your way to do that. My 1000 will skid the front long before it stoppies on your average pavement.

You'd have to upgrade the rubber and the pads first and you'd still really have to work at it.

This is a noob question and K1W1 told the noob what he needed to hear.

If the man's afraid of stoppies he needs to work on his brake control. Pull on that lever as hard as you can and you're going to have a problem worse that a stoppie.

 

Don't jump down K1W1's throat. His intentions are good.
He's just looking out for the safety of a rider who "totalled" a Burgman.

I mean, really, stoppies on a Strom? You gotta go waaaaay out of your way to do that. My 1000 will skid the front long before it stoppies on your average pavement...

When I read the post, I get a different meaning. HotShoeTom says nothing about actually wanting to do stoopies, he wanted to know what to expect when doing STOPping practice. Nothing wrong with that.

Am I missing something in the original post?

 

Not sure about stock. In this video of a stock ABS DL650 it only does little micro-stoppies during maximum braking.

With Race Tech Gold Valve Emulators, Fork Super Brace, Tourance Front Tire, I did stoppies with a passenger in the ERC (Experienced Rider Course). Just the back coming up a few inches in the last foot or so of emergency braking.

(Before installing the fork brace applying that much force at the end would skip/skid the last few inches)

This is not the balance stoppies you see the stunters doing on YouTube. This is progressively applying maximum force as traction allows.

In a real world stopping situation on an unknown surface I doubt I would be focused enough to manage anything close to a stoppie (even a tiny one). The stoppie was never the goal for me. It was just the result of maximizing traction on the front brake in a controlled situation.

You can actually practice front wheel braking at a rolling speed (like 3 - 8 MPH). Just remember never to jab them. Even at 3MPH jabbing could twist the front out enough to knock you off balance.

As long as you are thinking of practice, don't forget to practice off-camber surface stopping that would simulate the bottom of a long driveway onto a sloping or banked roadway. Practice is good...

 

I like that video, it shows just how good abs is...practicing off camber braking sounds like one of those things that might be best attempted after mastery of threshold braking on level ground. I gotta do it. Thanks!

 

I have to agree, his question was'nt "I want to do stoppies with my wee". He specifically notes that he wants to know what to expect during full-on braking, and could a stoppie be the result of hard braking.

Sounds like a very reasonable request from someone wanting to start practising his stopping skills.

Cheers....

ps; time to move on to another topic.....like, will Suzuki either;

a. increase the displacement of the 650 to 750 or 800 or,
b. add an 800 to the current lineup.

 

will Suzuki either;

a. increase the displacement of the 650 to 750 or 800 or,
b. add an 800 to the current lineup.

c. add an Omega 13 device

I vote for option C!!!

That way we could do over the last 13 seconds and remember to put the kickstand down! (I dread the day this happens to me cause I know it will)

 

Anyone done brake pad research on stroms to determine which is the highest quality?

 

Hiya TOM! If yoo want to improve the feel of your front brakes, consider adding braided steel lines. Steel lines keep your brakes from fading under prolonged use, or feeling "soft" as they heat up. Rubber brake lines expand as they heat up, braided lines do not. Its a cheap upgrade that delivers proven results. I do it to every bike i own. Ride safe, practice lots

 

After reading that response from K1W1, I was just about done with this forum. But the usual mature and helpful adults far outnumber the clown.

Railing on a new rider for trying to learn how to ride a bike safely, and making a very mature decision to learn about the limits in a controlled area, instead of learning about them in traffic? Ridiculous.

K1W1, you are an ass. Why don't you just go back to being angry and unloved in real life instead of on this forum. Beat your wife, kick your dog, work at a motorcycle dealership, but leave people the hell alone on this site.

 

if you're interested, the strom does wheelie pretty easily

 

I was looking around on you tube and found this video the other day of a Wee vs. an SV notice 20 seconds into the video the Wee does a stoppie. Pretty good wheelies too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJOjTxVW1g

 

I may be a total n00b, but I didn't realize a Wee can be ridden that hard. Wheelies all over the place, I'll be damned. Ignoring the stress that puts on the drive train and all related components, I'm jealous.

 

PRetty wild....more wild than I have guts or experience to pull off. I shoulda learned to do that stuff when I was 20 something and still knew everything.

I guess I have just gotten too attached to my own hide. Amazing that you can get enough grip and enough braking power to do a stoppie...that really surprises me.

 

I keep reading about the Wee's front diving during braking. All bikes I've owned have done it. No/little dive would not transfer weight or transfer less to the front tire. If you don't transfer weight to the front then it is more likely to slide. I haven't found the diving front to be of any concern. I wouln't mind if it dove a little slower I guess.

 

Stopping practice is always a good idea no matter how long you've been riding.
You don't have to be a scarred veteran to figure that out. Any time I find myself alone on the road and having to stop I aim for a spot well before the "it's too late" line and make it a much harder stop than it has to be. This provides three things: practice with hard stops, testing of the mechanical system in a situation where I can judge it, and something to keep my brain engaged on otherwise deserted roads so I don't let my mind wander.

That said, I have yet to do any stoppies that I'm aware of on my wee. I'm not terribly interested in the idea of stoppies for their own sake, but I completely understand the desire to know the limitations of the machine ahead of time so you can make sane decisions under duress.

 

I practice hard stops often and at various speeds (50-160Kmph). I always found that the Vee fork springs were way too soft since during the exercises the front dives all the way.

Lately I noticed that the left fork started to leave some oily residue on the cylinder and it happens only when I practice hard stops. During normal riding, the left fork does not accumulate any residue.

I have a Superbrace fork brace installed. Could the Suprebrace causes the fork seals to leak at maximum dive? I guess I will have to pull out the Superbrace and try it to get my answer.

During those exercises, I never experienced (or noticed) the rear wheel leaving the ground.

 

Forget it. Lost my head for a minute there...