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It's the motorcyclists fault...

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#1 · (Edited)
It's not that they don't see you, it's cause were're old and riding a 650 or 1000 cc!

Tha lady crossed the centerline in front of me beacause I'm old and riding 1000 cc's???

Interesting article...

From Oregonlive.com...

Bikers get older, easy riding gets deadlier...

Safety - Boomers are driving a motorcycling trend with high fatality rates Monday, October 22, 2007EDWARD WALSH The Oregonian Staff

Geff Hinds remembers seeing the movie "Easy Rider" as a teenager in the 1970s and thinking, "Oh my, that's what I want to do."

Eventually, Hinds' dream of cruising the open roads faded, replaced by other youthful preoccupations. But, he said, "I told myself I'd take up motorcycling when I'm old."

His time arrived last March.

Hinds, a 53-year-old Web designer from Tacoma, now feels "old enough" to resume his boyhood fascination with motorcycling. So he's the proud new owner of a black Yamaha V-Star 650 Classic, and part of a wave of older bikers across the Northwest.

Fueled in part by baby boomers such as Hinds taking up -- or resuming -- motorcycling later in life, the sport is exploding in popularity. Accident data suggest it's also becoming more deadly.

Nationally, the number of registered motorcycles rose 61 percent from 1995 to 2005, from 3.8 million to 6.1 million. The number increased 83 percent in Oregon during the same period, from 59,468 to 108,958.

With more motorcycles on the road, it's not surprising there are more accidents and deaths involving bikers. But the fatality rate, as measured by deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles and per million vehicle miles traveled, has steadily climbed at the same time the overall motor vehicle fatality rate has fallen.

The number of motorcycle deaths nationally dropped during the mid-1990s, reaching a low of 2,116 in 1997. But the death toll has increased every year since then; there were a record 4,810 motorcycle deaths in 2006.

(Oregon's low was 18 motorcycle deaths in 1999. Last year, there were 43 motorcycle deaths in the state. Though the number of deaths has fluctuated from year to year, Oregon's motorcycle fatality rate has remained consistently below the national rate.)

There are no simple explanations for why the motorcycle death toll has continued to increase, but in a 2006 analysis of the accident data, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said two trends are evident: Today's motorcyclists are older than in the past, and they are driving bigger, more powerful bikes.

In 1990, motorcyclists 50 and older accounted for 10 percent of all bike owners. By 2003, the 50-and-older crowd represented 25 percent of motorcycle owners. During the same time, the average age of motorcycle owners rose from 33 to just older than 40.

Michael Durbin has been in a good position to observe this gradual demographic shift. He owns Paradise Harley-Davidson in Tigard, where a large showroom is filled with gleaming models of the iconic American bike.

Durbin, who said sales have increased every year during the four years he has owned the dealership, said his typical customers range in age from 40 into their 60s. Some first-time buyers are fulfilling a lifelong dream.

"I've had people say, 'I wanted one all my life and I finally made my kid's last tuition payment,' " he said.

Most of the bikes in the showroom today are equipped with larger engines than earlier-generation models. Durbin said that during the past two years, Harley-Davidson increased the engine size on most of its models from 1,450 cubic centimeters to 1,584 cc.

And it is not just Harleys that have gotten burlier. According to data compiled by Motorcycle Industry Council, bikes with engines of at least 750 cc made up 40 percent of the U.S. market in 1990 but now account for more than three-quarters of the motorcycles on U.S. roads.

But Durbin and other veteran riders say they doubt that the size of the engines or the graying of the riders can fully explain the rising motorcycle death toll.

"It's the motorcyclist," said Steve Garets, a nationally recognized expert in motorcycle safety. "It is absolutely not the motorcycle."

Garets is the director of Team Oregon, a partnership between the Oregon Department of Transportation and Oregon State University that provides motorcycle safety training in the state. Oregon motorcyclists younger than 21 are required to take Team Oregon's basic training course. Others who complete the course can receive a motorcycle endorsement on their driver's license without taking the Department of Motor Vehicles' motorcycle driving proficiency test.

"It's the boomers that are fueling this," Garets said of the growing popularity of motorcycling. He said the fastest growing segment of those getting into motorcycling is "the over-40 crowd. They're not new to driving a vehicle, but they are new to riding a motorcycle. People get into motorcycling and don't really understand the risks that go along with the rewards."

Troy Costales, administrator of ODOT'S Traffic Safety Division, said there are about three motorcycle fatalities in rural Oregon for every one in an urban setting. The No. 1 cause, he said, was excessive speed going into corners.

"First and foremost, it is riders killing themselves," he said.

Oregon is one of 20 states and the District of Columbia with mandatory helmet laws for all motorcycle riders. Most other states require helmets for riders younger than 18 or 21. Three states -- Illinois, Iowa and New Hampshire -- do not have helmet laws.

But even a tough helmet law doesn't necessarily add safety. According to federal government statistics, between 2001 and 2004 the fatality rate, measured by deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles, was lower in Iowa and New Hampshire than it was in Oregon.

Hinds, the newly minted easy rider, was well-aware of the risks when he bought his 650-cc motorcycle. He took a three-day course on motorcycle safety and approached his first riding experiences with caution.

Now, he said, he is more comfortable cruising the back roads around his home at 50 or 60 mph.

"That's pure beauty," he said. "It's a real joy for me. It's still a minor extravagance, but it's well worth it. All of a sudden, I break out in a smile."

Edward Walsh: 503-294-4153; edwardwalsh@news.oregonian.com

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A little misguided in my opinion and I will be emailing the writer with my comments.

No rant, no raving...just some clear hard opinion!
 
#2 ·
Tried to read

I Tried to read the article but after the first page It asks for Zip & My age:???:.
After I enter it , It dumps me back to page 1 .............:(
When I tried to go to Pg. 2 again same thing :mad: WTF???
 
#3 ·
I must not have read the same article? My feeling was that the conclusion focused on the "rider" not age or bike. They cited excessive speed as a factor in a lot of fatalities, that isn't age or the bike, that's driving "unsmart".

I better go read it again.

I think what I see is a lot of people who haven't ridden for many years, get on a bike and think they are totally in control. If I am off a bike for even a year or less, I have lost a lot of edge (especially at low speeds). I think the explosion in the sales of bikes explains the reality....a lot of NON-bikers moving into the bike they always wanted and never owned (i.e. Harley's and super bikes) because they can now afford it, but then they don't get the training and practice they need to manage the split seconds. It's those split seconds that define changing your underwear or visiting the back of an ambulance or worse.
 
#4 ·
Before I make a statement, let preface it by saying I am very prejudiced and believe very much what Steve Garets.

I see on a weekly basis many folks that claim to know how to ride a motorcycle demonstrate to me that they can not do basic manuvers like starting, stopping or turning. They are only fooling themselves.

Just this weekend I had an older gentleman that was in one of my classes. During the stopping quickly exercise, he ran out of the stopping area by almost 30 feet. When I asked him about the front brake, he looked at me like I was asking him to shoot himself in the foot. "I was taught never to use the front brake, ever!" When I asked him who taught him how to ride, he said he was self-taught. After I got him to start using both brakes and finally starting to apply continuing progressive pressure on the front brake as the motorcycle came to a stop, he was simply amazed. He cut almost 40 feet off of his way. Now, 40 feet at 20 mph is quite a lot! Kind of the difference between life and death.

When it comes to negotiating curves, there are many that can not safely negotiate a curve, nor do they have any idea of how to properly ride through a curve.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that in the state of Florida there are about 50% of the riders that do not have motorcycle endorsements. About 50% of the riders that do have endorsements could not pass a simple riding test today as they do not ride often enough to keep their skills sharp.

So, I would have to simply say, Yes it is the motorcyclist's fault!


 
#7 ·
Before I make a statement, let preface it by saying I am very prejudiced and believe very much what Steve Garets.
As much as I'd like to blame it all on mindless, preoccupied or just stupid people behind a steering wheel, I also agree. Look at the statistics on motorcycle fatalities.

Troy Costales, administrator of ODOT'S Traffic Safety Division, said there are about three motorcycle fatalities in rural Oregon for every one in an urban setting. The No. 1 cause, he said, was excessive speed going into corners.

The MAJORITY of fatalities are single vehicle crashes and the MAJOR reason is.....failure to negotiate the curve. Riding above abilities, plain and simple.
 
#5 ·
Serious, deadly serious

Riding a motorcycle is a very serious activity. Like skydiving, scuba diving or mountain climbing. You **** up - you're dead. Plain and simple. If you're not willing to deal with that one obvious fact before getting involved - DON'T. Riding properly and proficiently takes practice and due diligence and lots of it. One's level of proficiency and skill is what seperates a true rider from that guy down the street who's just another dork with a bike. My profoundly personal opinion is - man up( or woman up) and do it right or stay the **** away from it.
 
#6 ·
I came back from a trip to Vegas on Friday, and the guy next to me on the plane was all out of it and sleepy.
We ended up at the shuttle to parking together, and he mentioned that he had seen me reading cycle magazines on the plane. He then told me that he was so sore and out of it because he had a motorcycle accident in Vegas and was on pain killers.
From his description, he was riding behind his buddy, both on rented Harleys, when his friend stopped too fast and he ran into him.
I asked him if he rode often, and he said "yeah, we rent them every year when we're in town for the packaging show".
I didn't know whether to laugh or smack the guy. I decided just to not say anything, as it looked like he had taken enough of a beating.
 
#8 ·
As true as some of these statements and facts are...there is still always the cager that turns left in front of you, merges into your lane, or simply rear ends you. A motorcyclist will lose everytime in those situations. Motorcycles are not bicycles, and I agree that too many people start riding just because they "think they can", or because they have always wanted to. The high gas prices also have made the statistics go up, riding motorcycles isn't for everyone.
 
#9 ·
I agree with the article but what I have seen from the little experience I have riding on the road (about 4 years total) is cagers just not seeing the motorcyclist. I have had a few hiccups where I have come into a corner a little “hot” but was able to correct for it with out incident. But the majority of incidents have been my bad luck of being in a cagers blind spot or the cagers windows are fogged up in the morning. Or a various number of other reasons. You really do have to learn to ride like you are invisible because the truth is you are. The funny thing is that when I was in my twenties riding on the road I can’t remember having any close calls that where not my own fault (youth equals speed) times have changed for sure.
 
#10 ·
Interesting article, but I am always upset when the non-riding media cite statistics and use them out of context.

Example: "Oregon is one of 20 states and the District of Columbia with mandatory helmet laws for all motorcycle riders. Most other states require helmets for riders younger than 18 or 21. Three states -- Illinois, Iowa and New Hampshire -- do not have helmet laws.

But even a tough helmet law doesn't necessarily add safety. According to federal government statistics, between 2001 and 2004 the fatality rate, measured by deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles, was lower in Iowa and New Hampshire than it was in Oregon."

I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that the riding season in Oregon is quite a bit longer than that in NH & IA??? Deaths per miles driven is a far more accurate figure of comparison.

I agree with all the other comments though...
 
#11 ·
Interesting article, but I am always upset when the non-riding media cite statistics and use them out of context.

Example: "Oregon is one of 20 states and the District of Columbia with mandatory helmet laws for all motorcycle riders. Most other states require helmets for riders younger than 18 or 21. Three states -- Illinois, Iowa and New Hampshire -- do not have helmet laws.

But even a tough helmet law doesn't necessarily add safety. According to federal government statistics, between 2001 and 2004 the fatality rate, measured by deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles, was lower in Iowa and New Hampshire than it was in Oregon."

I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that the riding season in Oregon is quite a bit longer than that in NH & IA??? Deaths per miles driven is a far more accurate figure of comparison.
Excellent point. And I bet that if you look at the statistics NH and IA were the ONLY non-helmet law states that have a lower fatality rate than Oregon.
 
#12 ·
My 2 cents...


I think the age factor is naturally going to play into the numbers. Baby boomer's are the biggest group right now and we're all getting older, so it's understandable to me that the Baby boomer's show high numbers in the stats.
My biggest thing is ( just my personal opinion, not basing off of any facts) allot of older people are getting into riding because of the massive cruiser image thing that has swept the nation. Most haven't been riding for years and when they did ride they had 125cc-500cc standard bikes. Now they want big heavy cruisers that are less nimble and their riding skills are very rusty. Plus you also have those who have never ridden and think if they pass a motorcycle safety class they can go out and by what ever bike fits them and ride. To me these are the scariest people out there. Late braking. Panic braking with target fixation, running off turns(again target fixation) etc etc. The cager turns left in front of them and they lock the brakes and skid in a strait line right into it! I'm not saying you can avoid everything but there are a ton of people out there who are every bit as bad as I describe! I know, because I've ridden with a number of them! I kind of like the UK thing where you pass your test and you get to ride lesser cc bikes and graduate up. Personally I think everyone should have to start off learning to ride in the dirt ! LOL

That might have been a little more than two cents worth. :rolleyes:
 
#14 ·
It's not an "age" thing. It's a lack of skills thing. Naturally, with a bigger bike comes the need for more skill. They are more difficult to stop, maneuver and balance. I've been riding my little Strom for 2 weeks and havn't used my GoldWing at all. I hopped on that massive machine again today and realized how big and heavy that thing is, not to mention a completely different skill set is needed to ride it. The two bikes are so opposite in the way you handle them it's not even funny.
The age comes into play because now they have the money to buy big but not the patience to buy small and work their way up. Again, the curves issue, skills, or lack thereof. Many don't understand the dynamics of handling curves. They do figure it out just prior to plowing into a cliff or tree though.
Also, with time behind the bars comes the ability to read traffic like no other cage driver can. If your not driving for the cars around you, your going to end up intimate with one. Defensive, defensive, defensive. You will never win an argument with a cage, don't put yourself there if there is another way, watch those blindspots and assume they don't know you're there.

Ride safe,
Scott
 
#15 ·
The graduated system would be life saving system but it would never fly in North America. We have this perceived idea that it is our right to do as we please. What a crock of B.S. It is a privilege that is earned. Too many fore-go the earning part and ride without their M/C license b/c it is just too much trouble to get. Given the dangers involved and deadly results in some cases, I have a suggestion that would never fly. If you want a bike you have to have a M/C license first. Never gonna fly. If you want to license and insure a bike you must have a license. Again, never gonna fly. You want a license, you gotta take the riding course, never gonna fly. This would weed out a lot of wannabees and put a safer group of riders on the street. Again, never gonna fly. We in N.A. have had it so soft that we question anything that we might have to earn even if it might be a life saving riding course.
Of course this is harsh and I expect to get comments about my brain cells on holiday. Flame on, I wanna hear you.
I have one main reason for this opinion and have developed it since buying the Wee in 05. I never had to pass a bike test to get my license. I was never asked years ago if I had a drivers license of any sort when buying or insuring a bike. It was just too bloody easy. I rode for a lot of years with no mishap. Then I got the Wee and had issues riding it. Last year I took the riding course and learned a ton. What I learned is amazing when I think that I used to pride myself with never even dropping a street bike let alone having a mishap that hurt. Just plain dumb luck on my part. Education folks, or stay in a cage with airbags.
 
#16 ·
The graduated system would be life saving system but it would never fly in North America. We have this perceived idea that it is our right to do as we please.
No flames here.

I would add that a second reason graduated licensing, required training, or any other imposition on our perceived right to do as we please, is "never gonna fly" is that any attempt to put something like that in place would face huge opposition from "the industry" because of potential reduced sales.

So old farts (like me) can walk into dealership and buy an ill-handling 800lb cruiser that he can hardly pick up off the side stand even though he's never even sat on a motorcycle before. After all how hard can it be, he's been driving for 30 or 40 years you know. And, any 16 year-old with access to $7K (or half that for a used one) can buy himself a sportbike that will run 160mph. You gotta know he's gonna want to see that will actually do it. I know I would have when I was 16.

IMO, high injury / death rates of untrained and/or irresponsible riders and motorcycle noise will be the 1-2 punch that ultimately leads to (more) legal restrictions on our sport.
 
#17 ·
I agree with water warrior. Here in Utah, one cannot take a motorcycle on a test ride from the BMW dealership or the Suzuki dealership without a license. I think that is a good thing. We are very lax in our driving tests here in the US for both cars and motorcycles. I have heard that in other countries, in order to drive away in a BMW, Porsche or other high performance car, one must take som e pretty stringent driving tests to show adequate competency in driving such an automobile. We should do the same thing here in the states, especially with motorcycles and even more so with the high performance ones such as the Gixxer and the Busa. Anyone can go fast! Not everyone knows how to corner, etc. Like you said, it is a privilege, not a right.
 
#18 ·
I fit the "geezer" demographic, I guess. I put off motorcycling until I was 49, and I bought my Connie a month BEFORE I took the MSF beginning rider course, simply becaus it was available and a good deal and I knew it was the bike I wanted. Had a friend test-ride it for me and dealer delivered it via truck. THE BIKE SAT IN THE BASEMENT FOR THAT MONTH UNTIL I GOT MY LICENSE FROM THE DMV. I took it out on backroads for 500 MILES until I felt I was reasonably safe for myself and others on the main roads. I was and am well aware of the position I was/am in as regards age and late starting in this sport. Today I rode 362 miles round the Olympic Peninsula (great ride BTW) and I passed about 50 bikes going the other way, and there were generally two types. Crotch rockets going 1.5 times the speed limit or more, and groups of cruisers all bunched up with no room for maneuvering, and one of those groups had two riders over the centerline in a turn they were going the opposite direction from me, but I was wisely on the outboard side of my lane (a left curve for me). I did happen to follow one (in my opinion) decently riding rider, coincidentally a loaded-up VEE-Strom going north from Aberdeen, he tuned into the Lake Quinalt campground, (anybody we know?) and I went on. Bikes don't ride themselves anymore than guns fire themselves. It's the person holding the handle that makes the difference. But...I could be wrong.
 
#19 ·
Many thing cause "accidents" but older riders do contribute to numbers .I am 48 and can tell you I class myself as a rider because I do ride in heavy rain at night,strong winds,dirt roads etc,an I a great rider NO just a rider. Many older riders think they are riders because they ride 20-50miles with their friends on every fine weekend. This dose not build their ability much ,in fact I think it installs an overconfidence . We do not have reflexes we had 20 plus years ago but we should have a bit more "road sence" . It is very rare for a "single vechile" ( no other vechile involved ) accident to happen in a straight line it happens in corners ,so this is realy a simple thing to say. What I would like to know what can we all do to help each other " survive the ride " ? It is no good waiting to get Government involved they will stuff it up,99 out of 100 times.
 
#20 ·
Cell Phones

I agree 100% with all the comments on riding skills, awareness, practice etc...
What has changed dramatically in the last 15 years is cell phone usage and the advent of texting. 10 years ago the term "distracted driving" didn't exist. I say that would explain why the per capita averages continue to go up. I ski instruct at a very busy mountain (Breckenridge) I have been hit by others maybe 1-2 times in over 20 years of teaching. It is an overall awareness of what and who is around you that will consistantly keep you out of trouble. Just my two cents.
 
#21 ·
It's fair enough to say that there are more distracted drivers out there and that this may contribute to a higher number of collisions, but any license instructor worth their salt teaches you to check your mirrors when stationary, change lane position when approaching intersections, always leave an escape route for yourself and be prepared to take it (even if you have to break the law to save your ass).

If you get hit by a cager because you were in their blind spot who is to blame? Legally, maybe them... but common sense says you should never have been there to begin with!

I ride country roads around here that I know like the back of my hand. Great sweeping bends, tight twisties, long straights, they're all there. But you never know when you come around a bend with an embankment blocking your view to the exit if there's going to be a milk tanker doing 20Kph up the hill, or a cattle truck has been through an hour earlier and dropped p*ss and sh*t all over the road.

Unless you're on the track with a group of likeminded, similar skilled riders under controlled conditions you've got no business outriding your vision.

At the end of the day the only one on the road who cares about your safety is YOU, and it makes ZERO difference who is right or wrong when you're the cripple.

/end rant
 
#22 ·
I can add just about what everybody else has said. I started riding in 53, yes my friends I am that old. The little mini bike up to a big Harley ( but I still love and ride my "Vee")
Riders experience covers the problem about 100%. Sure, age is a small factor. (older, less strength and reaction time working the heavy/larger bike)
Just like the gun, it's not the gun that kills the person, it's the person that has the gun that kills the person. KNow your limitations, take a course, pratice everyday you are riding.
There is so much on a bike (large or small) that can get you hurt and usually it's not a small hurt. Good luck and safe riding to all. Now I am going out to pratice my wheelies and stoppies. JUst kidding my Electric Glide classic can't do stoppies. :)
 
#24 ·
Tough call

It is difficult to decide whether we should try to protect people from themselves, or let Darwin take its course. My personal choice is to let Darwin take its course. I expect, after enough of these articles are printed, that manufacturers will accept 'voluntary' performance restrictions. Interesting that the authors tend to use the aviation definition of responsibility (Everything that goes wrong is the rider's/pilot's fault) as opposed to the cager standard (Well, it just went out of control). But that may be appropriate, as the consequences are often similar. The great American tradition of letting people do what they want, so long as they are willing to bear the consequences, is rapidly dying out in our lawyer-ridden victimocracy.
 
#25 ·
Drunk drivers (and under the influence drivers) kill more people in motor vehicle accidents each year then any other demographic you can put together. In the wonderful state of Washington you get not 1, not 2, but 5 chances getting caught on a DWI before you loose your license for life. I don't see the cry for the out lawing of alcohol. Its my belief that our government has no business in telling us what we can and cannot ride. That is why we are free. If I ride without my helmet and leave my brains on the road so be it. If I ride like an ass in traffic and get caught I get my ticket and the higher corresponding insurance rates. I think the laws are there to take care of this problem they just don't want the work of enforcing them. Hey don't worry though with our large contingency of non riding senators and congressmen I am sure one day the ban on dangerous bikes will come. Then they will cut away each model until we don't have a choice left. Be careful what you wish for when you want the government to intervene.
 
#26 ·
Cause of motorcycle deaths

In spring and summer we read about a motorcylce death almost every other week in the Dallas / Fort Worth area. Usually, details come up like excessive speed, no helmet worn, or the rider not obeying some traffic law. It's dangerous enough out there when you are following the rules, but when I observe riders weaving through heavy traffic, and/or going about 90-100mph, I hope they will remain to be one of the lucky ones, and not kill themselves before tragedy occurs.

I thick we all realise the greater odds of getting killed by operating a bike vs a car, but we should try at best we can that it won't be the biker's fault.
 
#27 ·
I have to agree the high fuel prices and wanting another bike for many years are what got me back to riding. I rode from the age of 6 to about 25. Got married and had kids. i bought a 4 wheeler in 1992 and rode it. Rented or rode friends bikes between then. I bought wee 3 weeks ago i ride it to work on the hov lane daily. I don't think i'm a expert and i'm out of practice but i'm very carefully. i won't ride in the rain or on the freeway other than hov yet. As i get more practice and use to being on the bike again i'm sure things will change.
 
#28 ·
Well now, I am impressed. Expected to get flames within seconds but so far everyone seems to be on the same page. What his tells me is Troopers as a group are a well balanced and mature group who ride safely and want to continue living.
If we had a poll of all riders/potential riders of all kinds of bikes I am sure the results would reflect a different overall attitude. I may sound harsh towards other riders and their choices but they really scare the snot out of me with their "Right" to endanger me or my friends.
 
#31 ·
Well I never!

What his tells me is Troopers as a group are a well balanced and mature group
Wow, hang around a while and we'll do our best to disabuse you of that notion!:p