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post #1 of 46 Old 08-14-2004, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
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So much for Fram oil filters

I purchased a few Fram oil filters the other day. I noticed that the Suzuki filter weighs about 50% more than the Fram. I went to put one of the Fram filters in today. Tried to use my cap wrench. The dimples at the end of the filter are not deep enough for the wrench to get a good grip.
I tried my Sears strap wrench. Got it to about 1 1/2 turns and the wrench snapped. I was going to leave it at that, but I noticed that the filter was dented by the wrench. I got my plumbing wrench and took the filter off.
Good thing that I had a Suzuki filter. Put that on and no problems.
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post #2 of 46 Old 08-14-2004, 08:08 PM
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1. you're right, fram filters are junk

2. you only need to tighten the filter hand tight. With a little oil on the seal it'll snug up nicely.

IMO, of course.
post #3 of 46 Old 08-14-2004, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
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These filters have a very fine thread.
At first I did not believe that they could be turned two turns. I discovered otherwise. They require quite a bit of pressure to turn them two turns but this is what Suzuki recommends. Car filters are hand tightened. I talked to a mechanic and he said that if you don't turn them the proper amount they will leak.

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post #4 of 46 Old 08-14-2004, 09:30 PM
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Yup I Hate Fram
I had the seals on 2 frams fail on my van... Switched to a Puralator.. No Prob

Today I changed the oel on my DL.. Got the suzuki filter. Read about the 2 turns... Tried it but could only muster a turn and 1/2 by hand.

It leaks (slight drop wells up under filter).. I'll have to tighten it up to 2.

Here's an interesting Idea for Next Time..

K&N Filter (race approved, supposed to exceed oem, Has a 17mm Nut welded to the end.. spin it on and wrench to tightness.

I may try this next time.

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post #5 of 46 Old 08-14-2004, 10:28 PM
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Well, I suppose if it leaks, tighten it up a little. My experience is on my honda magna and my suzuki atv (they rec 2 turns past touching there also). I've fought with overtightened filters before and it ain't worth it. Onward.
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Yup I Hate Fram
I had the seals on 2 frams fail on my van... Switched to a Puralator.. No Prob

Today I changed the oel on my DL.. Got the suzuki filter. Read about the 2 turns... Tried it but could only muster a turn and 1/2 by hand.

It leaks (slight drop wells up under filter).. I'll have to tighten it up to 2.

Here's an interesting Idea for Next Time..

K&N Filter (race approved, supposed to exceed oem, Has a 17mm Nut welded to the end.. spin it on and wrench to tightness.

I may try this next time.
The K&N is the same as the Hi Flo filter with a nut added at a high expense. But it is convenient on and off.

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FWIW,

I read elswhere that you DO NOT need to tighten a Fram 2 turns! Holy cow! The reason is the gasket... Suzuki's is rounded and Fram's is flat. The round one needs 2 turns to deform it to seal properly. The flat gasket on the Fram only needs 1/4 turn or so. Try tightening a plumbing fitting too tight and it'll leak all over as well!

No wonder the Fram dented! Suzuki proabably has to make their filter wall heavier to handle 2 turns of pressure. That might be a big reason it weighs more.

For my information, what leads Fram filters to get a bad rep? I mean, anyone lose and engine to one? I've never had a single problem on any vehicle with Fram filters or Purolators or whatever... Seems like another arguement similar to choosing what oil to put in your bike.
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I just snug up the new Suzuki filter by hand as tight as I can. No leaks here.
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I read elswhere that you DO NOT need to tighten a Fram 2 turns! Holy cow! The reason is the gasket... Suzuki's is rounded and Fram's is flat. The round one needs 2 turns to deform it to seal properly. The flat gasket on the Fram only needs 1/4 turn or so. Try tightening a plumbing fitting too tight and it'll leak all over as well!

No wonder the Fram dented! Suzuki proabably has to make their filter wall heavier to handle 2 turns of pressure. That might be a big reason it weighs more.

For my information, what leads Fram filters to get a bad rep? I mean, anyone lose and engine to one? I've never had a single problem on any vehicle with Fram filters or Purolators or whatever... Seems like another arguement similar to choosing what oil to put in your bike.
A while ago I read somewhere that the Frams were no good because of the machining process. Seems that when the threads are cut, bits of metal were getting into the filter and then to your engine.
But on a recent episode of *How it's made* I saw filters being made and the threads are cut BEFORE that part is mated to the body of the filter. So who knows. You know how folk lore, wives tails and the like get started......

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Its not that they will make your engine fail. Its just that they are not made with the same precision and filtering capabilities of some of the other filters. Its not that they aren't good and won't do the job its just thats there are better filters to be used. Its the same with oil. Change it often and you will have no problems. But you could put an oil that has a better protection testing than other oils if peace of mind is important to you.

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