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post #1 of 9 Old 01-22-2011, 07:41 PM Thread Starter
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Missing rear brake pad shims and insulators

I was looking at my new to me 650K4 rear brakes today as I was getting ready to change the fluid and when I pulled the pads out I didn't have the pad insulators or the pad shims. The manual shows one of each for each pad yet I have none of any, just the pads.
I am wondering if this could cause a problem(s). It's my first time scrutinizing the caliper so I'm not sure how far out the piston should be-? I seemed to have a lot of air in the lines due possibly to me pushing the pedal when I shouldn't have. Oops. I pushed the piston back in with a c-clamp, refit the caliper and did the bleed. The fluid was very dark. I am a new owner at 50K miles. The bleed went fine. Brakes seem perfect now, better than before. I have new Galfer Black pads coming from Blair at SVRacing.

Anyway, maybe somebody who has better knowledge of the rear brake can tell from the picture. Picture was taken after I bleeding. I don't remember seeing the bright "brass" color before. I found no wear indicator as there was on the front pads. The pads are HH EBS perhaps, I'm not to sure, didn't really pay attention. They seem pretty scored as does the rotor which I'm replacing as well or maybe not yet but I am getting that as well. I'm learning a ton thanks to you all and having a little time to work on the bike now...

Should I go ahead and get the two shims and two insulators-? The shim must be a shim which must be in place for a purpose I would think. The insulators ...? Are they a vibration reducer or a heat shield ... ? Anyway ...

Thanks for your thoughts,
-Dan

The BB #'s are 16,17 and 18 in the 2004 Suzuki service manual (pg 7-68) they are #10 and 11 with #11 being the same part; left side and right side. I liked the ease of clipping out the BB parts diagram rather than scanning my service manual.
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The shims are for noise reduction. They are supposed to keep the pads from rattling. The insulators are to reduce heat transfer to the brake fluid. It's not uncommon for the unknowing to throw them out with the old pads because the parts seem like part of the pads. I'd replace them. The dark fluid is mostly due to heat. also the pack will be reduced in thickness so the pistons can come out farther than they should when the pads are worn.

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I bought new OEM front pads, shims, and springs from Ron Ayers last summer.


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Thanks once again Pat. I was close in my slightly educated guessing.

May I ask you where you might shop to buy the missing pad shims and insulators-? I have looked around at Bike Bandit and a place called Parts Shark.
It always seems like a store will have part of what I need but be B/O on the next item. I hate to pay all the shipping costs. I am going to try our local Suzuki Dealer Tue. when they next open. (sadly they are in the process of closing their doors after 36 years).
I also thought of Ron Ayers.

Thanks if you have a suggestion for me/us and once again your help is invaluable and much appreciated.

-Dan

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I don't have a favorite place for Suzuki parts.

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I bought new OEM front pads, shims, and springs from Ron Ayers last summer.

Thanks TM I just placed a very similar order from Ron Ayers. They seem to have the most reasonable shipping costs I have seen.
Also I am finding there is really no one place to shop. Nobody seems to have everything I might need at one time and I don't blame them really.
There are a whole lot of bike parts out there in the world.

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It's important to remember that nobody actually stocks Suzuki parts -- they're simply middlemen. You order from them, they order from Suzuki, Suzuki sends the parts to the middleman, and they ship them to you.

Suzuki has warehouses in a couple of different spots in the US -- I think they recently consolidated so that most parts come from California these days.

This arrangement allows Suzuki dealers to earn a bit of profit from parts sales, while Suzuki doesn't need to deal with the riffraff.

So when you order parts from a larger dealer that orders daily, your goodies usually show up at the dealer in two or three business days. Then the dealer ships them to you.

If you order from a smaller dealer, they might only place an order once or twice a week, so it could be five or more business days before your goodies show up.


For example, I'm in Indianapolis. I usually order online from a dealer near here (Westfield Suzuki), and stuff usually shows up in three days. I can then drop by and pick up my goodies (and slobber on some new bikes, stretch out gloves and helmets and such...) or they can ship it to me, which adds a day.

Easy-peasy, once you know what to expect. I ordered a pile of parts last weekend, and it was delivered to my office on Thursday.

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It's important to remember that nobody actually stocks Suzuki parts -- they're simply middlemen. You order from them, they order from Suzuki, Suzuki sends the parts to the middleman, and they ship them to you.

Suzuki has warehouses in a couple of different spots in the US -- I think they recently consolidated so that most parts come from California these days.

This arrangement allows Suzuki dealers to earn a bit of profit from parts sales, while Suzuki doesn't need to deal with the riffraff.

So when you order parts from a larger dealer that orders daily, your goodies usually show up at the dealer in two or three business days. Then the dealer ships them to you.

If you order from a smaller dealer, they might only place an order once or twice a week, so it could be five or more business days before your goodies show up.


For example, I'm in Indianapolis. I usually order online from a dealer near here (Westfield Suzuki), and stuff usually shows up in three days. I can then drop by and pick up my goodies (and slobber on some new bikes, stretch out gloves and helmets and such...) or they can ship it to me, which adds a day.

Easy-peasy, once you know what to expect. I ordered a pile of parts last weekend, and it was delivered to my office on Thursday.
Thanks for that information. I had not thought it through but it makes sense that they would do it that way. A shop/store could stock the basics but when it comes to the inventory of all the parts for every bike and then some --- impossible I'd say.

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