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post #1 of 14 Old 06-03-2006, 08:09 PM Thread Starter
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Stalling '06 dl650

My '06 DL650 with 1700 km has stalled twice in the last 50 Km or so. In both cases it was at low speed ... I was almost stopped in fact ... it acted like I had switched off the ignition. It started again without any problem.

The only thing I can correlate this with was an extremely bumpy high speed ride over some rough road, just before the first incident. Maybe something electrical came loose.
The Soozie service man I asked about it said maybe the ground connection to the battery had come loose (?) .. it hasn't.

Has anybody had this happen?
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post #2 of 14 Old 06-03-2006, 08:59 PM
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What's your idle RPM set too?

It should be between 1200-1400 RPM when warm.

Too low and she can stumble.

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I'm getting the same problem w/ my Litre 'STROM, and I double checked , when the V' s warmed to 2 bars on the guage I'm idling @ less than 1000rpm Could you point the way to a novice F.I. bike pilot?? where do I ( and anyone else ) adjust the idle speed ?? thanx jack

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You'll see a small philips head adjuster on the left side of the bike, top left corner of the frame gusset.

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Left side, a bit below the tank. It's the phillips head screw by the engine mount, kinda there looking right at you.
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post #6 of 14 Old 06-04-2006, 01:17 AM
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I have a 2005 wee strom. I have 1800(approx)km's. I have had my bike stall twice for no apparent reason. My idle is 1200. I don't know why
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My DL1000K5 has done this 4 times in the 4,000 miles I put on it. Last time was 2 up and the road was canted and I could not touch ... it was an almost over we go, but managed to catch it. I was at a stop sign and was just ready to take off when it died. (A T intersection going up hill) We started to go over .. I reach for the ground ... Nothing... I manage to shift my ass over to get more reach and Just catch it before we hit the point of no return.

Time before was as I was pulling into the post office parking lot on a down shift. Motor died as I was letting out the clutch and chirped the rear tire... managed to get the clutch in ASAP. A beginner would have most likely dropped it the last two times. The others were not anything of consequence.

I have read about this problem on all the forums. I has to be electrical IMHO.

My Idle is plenty high. At first I thought it was my TRE as the first time was right after I installed it. But not again for a LONG time. I had just got the bike so I only had a very few miles on it before I put the TRE in and changed tires,. installed center-stand and put on my Manta.

It feels just like hitting the kill switch.
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My DL1000K5 has done this 4 times in the 4,000 miles I put on it. Last time was 2 up and the road was canted and I could not touch ... it was an almost over we go, but managed to catch it. I was at a stop sign and was just ready to take off when it died. (A T intersection going up hill) We started to go over .. I reach for the ground ... Nothing... I manage to shift my ass over to get more reach and Just catch it before we hit the point of no return.

Time before was as I was pulling into the post office parking lot on a down shift. Motor died as I was letting out the clutch and chirped the rear tire... managed to get the clutch in ASAP. A beginner would have most likely dropped it the last two times. The others were not anything of consequence.

I have read about this problem on all the forums. I has to be electrical IMHO.

My Idle is plenty high. At first I thought it was my TRE as the first time was right after I installed it. But not again for a LONG time. I had just got the bike so I only had a very few miles on it before I put the TRE in and changed tires,. installed center-stand and put on my Manta.

It feels just like hitting the kill switch.
Doubt that it is electrical.....kicking up the idle speed didn't fix my problem. Once I adjusted the throttle cables "correctly", I haven't stalled since, or even come close!

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3-4x in 4K miles is not all that often. If it was a throttle cable problem I think it would be happen more frequently. I have yet been able to intentionally make it happen. If it was the throttle cables (mechanical) I should be able to replicate the problem.

"I haven't stalled since, or even come close!"

Mine has not done the "coming close" to stalling. It's going fine then just stops. No sputter no rough just the smooth steady purrrr, then dead. So maybe it's different for me.


"Once I adjusted the throttle cables "correctly""

Please explain to me how, or why, or what you think is wrong that would cause this to happen, and not happen more often if it's my throttle cables being adjusted incorrectly?

When it first happened to me I thought it was the TRE. (it was hard to reach w/o taking the tank off) So I reached in and pressed the connection to make sure it was clicked in/together OK

That "fixed" it for 2ooo miles... so that must have been that.. So it does it again... Maybe I should check the TRE again... since it "fixed" it before. (I was thinking of removing it to see if that helped)

The same could be said about the throttle cable adjustment. If I adjust my cables for you... and it does not happen for 2000 miles you could say that fixed it.... I could say that if I pressed the connection of the TRE again too.

LOL ... maybe we need to fiddle with SOMETHING every few thousand miles. to make it go away. Funny how it seems to keep needing to be fixed 1 or 2 times a year. Finicky these throttle cables. LOL

Seriously now. I think it's a FI issue, and for what ever reason it just skips a beat. Other FI bikes do it too. (so I have read) At 3000 RPM under power a single missed pulse is hardly noticeable, at idle it could mean it stalls.

I'll wave my magic wand around and say it's an electrical thing that happens and could probably write several pages of theory just as well as you could say it's a throttle cable sync or what ever.

It may be both! Any time you have a problem that happened every 2-3 thousand miles that is not repeatable it's close to imposable to say what it really is.

There was a very long and well written explanation of this same, or similar issue in the Le Mans forum. That is what influenced my waving it off as "electrical" . I wish I had it to link to it, it was a fantastic read. Really technical supported with facts about Fuel Management.

It's only one of 3 Fuel, compression, and spark. With FI electrical can be fuel too since it is an electrical fuel delivery system.

But for a motor to just quit at 1200 rpm for no apparent reason once in a blue moon seems to be more likely to be a hick-up in the FI.

If my cables were set up incorrectly I would expect it to happen with some more frequency AND be repeatable. As of now that has not been the case.

I agree it can not hurt to have your TPS set correctly, throttle bodies balanced, throttle cables set up correctly, and an fresh air cleaner, and a fresh oil change, and new plugs. But still after all that the bike stalls occasionally.

I will check the cables out... Maybe after I adjust them correctly they will keep if from stalling for another 2000 miles. ... If it eliminates the problem thanks for the pointer... I hope so.

How often was yours stalling before you adjusted your cables? How often now? If ZERO how many miles since you adjusted them?

Could be we also may have different reason(s) for our bikes stalling.

FI can be a blessing or a curse. Some FI bikes never run as well as 99% of the same make and model. No matter what they adjust or replace the bikes just don't work right. Only selling it seems to work. There is nothing like a car or bike that is right.. and nothing worse than one that never is right.

I had 2 cars in particular. A VW GTI that ran right for about 3 months. Purchased brand new. Than something went. I spent 1000s of $ and went to 4 different places to fix it. It could be made to run a little better but never "right" I lived with it and finally sold it.

I had a Subaru Imprezza that had a mysterious problem 2 dealers could not fix. It wold mysteriously speed up w/o any user input. Subaru changed it's fuel management system the following year as they had a lot of problems with it. (bad knock sensor feedback was one thing) I am sure it was the FI system being deficient. 100's in the Subaru forum had issues with bad Fuel management. with that year. 1997 IIRC.

I sold the car after dropping a grand into it w/o the problem being fixed. I wanted to return it 2 weeks after I got it, but by being the nice guy and not pushing the issue I ended up getting stuck with it.

Some cars are perfect and are just dead nuts on. My 1997 Dodge Cummings is one. It's coming up to 200,000 miles. I dread the day it rots out. (brake lines are already going.)

My 2000 Miata has some factory issues. Many had the dreaded stalling problem. Mine did not. It also did not have the crank shaft end cap bearing problem like many did. (total engine failure due to a bad lot of parts mixed in inventory)

Most of the cars that I have had over the years with problems have been electrical or more directly FI related. Fuel management. How do you figure out that your crank sensor magnet is weak? or that the placement of some hole is not off. (guzzi timing marks as an example)

Like with the V-Strom.. Our ECU's have a crap program. They ALL do. Finally in 2006 it's dialed in better... Dollars to donuts it's not the only little FI issue fixed.

I have felt a miss on the highway. It's once in a blue moon too just like the stalling. I right it off as a wind or surface change or my imagination. How sensitive are we to one pulse in on in 10,000? If a plug misses just once do we always pick it up? My "guess" is my stalling and the miss are one and the same.

I'm not complaining.. My V Strom runs great. It has a hick-up once in a LOOOONG while. It could run a little better at low RPM. (I bet an 06 ECU would work better than my 2005 ECU) but it's not bad enough to warrant a lot of hassle.

:idea: Poll time .. What do you think is causing V-Stroms to stall

Idle to low
FI hick up
TPS off
Throttle bodies need syncing
Throttle cables adjusted incorrectly
Bike just do this every now and again
Quit you bitching my car stalls more.
Charcoal Fuel canisters full
needs a tune up
Numb nutz you bumped you kill switch
Water in your gas
Loose wire
Octane to high
Not using synthetic OIL
USING synthetic
Loose relay
Other
All of the above
None of the above

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My opinion;

Throttle cables
Throttle bodies
FI Glitch
Plug wire loose


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