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post #1 of 44 Old 07-12-2018, 05:25 PM Thread Starter
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Pass on the vale check

06 Wee. 36,000 miles.

I did the valve check at 17,000. Bike running smooth, think it's okay to not check the valve clearance at this point?

Also where can I get all the needed maintenance items at one place, air/gas filter spark plug, coolant etc..

Anything else I might want to replace, 12 year old bike, yikes.........

It is garaged kept
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06 Wee. 36,000 miles.

I did the valve check at 17,000. Bike running smooth, think it's okay to not check the valve clearance at this point?

Also where can I get all the needed maintenance items at one place, air/gas filter spark plug, coolant etc..

Anything else I might want to replace, 12 year old bike, yikes.........

It is garaged kept
I love these kinds of questions! I have a 2010 Honda NT 700v touring bike worth maybe $3000 with 25,000. I have checked the valves twice. They hardly change. They are screw adjusters but they are a PITA to get to. I will never check them again unless I am bored. Too many important parts to disturb. Dont know about my 2017 XT. I doubt if I will ever check them as well as my 2014 FJR. But I am an old fart with maybe 10 years to live and I am retired and dont have to worry about my next pay check either....can I do the work? Sure, I was an aircraft mechanic. Do I WANT to do the work? No . Heck no. And there are too many posibilities for messing things up. If its working, leave it alone. If its not broke, dont fix it. Preventitive maintenance is good...oil and filters and fluids and lubing cables....tearing into a machine with all sorts of computer sensors....bad juju IMHO.
My Toyota dealer says no one ever checks their Toyota Corolla shims as they just dont change. Ford eco boost engines have shim under bucket with no check interval.

If this bike is important to you and you plan on keeping it, and you dont mind removing cams, I would do the valves and fluids, filters, etc and never do any of that again. I like Bike Bandit as I dont have to drive anywhere to get all my OEM bike parts....
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I do all the checks and adjustments at the specified intervals, sometimes earlier. I dont ride to wrench, I wrench so I can ride. Many subscribe to the principle of "If it ain't broke, dont fix it." I maintain so it doesnt break, then I dont have to fix it.
Nobody EVER adjusts the valves in their Miatas. But when I checked mine at the specified 60K-mile interval, 14 of the 16 were way loose. I put them all back in the dead center of spec, and the car ran like a whole new animal. And it ran just fine before. Throttle response, fuel economy, midrange torque all improved.
Same deal with my '00 Kawasaki ZRX. 7500 mile intervals, 8 of the 16 valves were way too tight. Swap and replace shims, sync the carbs afterwards, and all rideability improved. Yes, many cars and bikes are in or close to spec when checked--if they ere even ever checked. But you'll never hear a tight valve on it's way to burning. And if you were the 1 out of a thousand whose valves were out of spec, it wouldnt mean a thing about the other 999 bikes whose bikes were in spec.
There will always be ways to justify not doing the recommended maintenance. Fear of the unknown shouldnt be one of them.
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06 Wee. 36,000 miles. I did the valve check at 17,000. Bike running smooth, think it's okay to not check the valve clearance at this point?
Do you know where it was at 17K miles when you last checked? If it was at mid-spec or better (i.e. wider) then you are probably good for another 30K miles. If the clearances where tighter than mid-spec at the last check then they are probably still fine but you'll maybe want to check them in about 20K miles. If they were at the edge at 17K then you should check them now. Typically the clearances don't move much after break-in or until end-of-life (EOL) which is off in the distance for your bike. When you go back in to do a check/adjust at +60K miles just move them to the wide end of the spec and you won't have to touch them again unless you hit 120K miles.

BTW, one reason a valve clearance check is a regular maintenance item is that there are no symptoms until its too late. If the valves get tight the exhaust valves will fry which is not a symptom you want to see. On the other hand, Suzuki's recommended maintenance schedule is way to conservative for the valve clearance. They really don't move much till EOL.

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Anything else I might want to replace, 12 year old bike, yikes.........It is garaged kept
It is more about the mileage than the years (though years does impact the degradation of rubber and plastic components, especially vacuum hoses which should be inspected and replaced with a high mileage bike). Here is my list (setting aside regular maintenance items);
  • 100K Miles: Lower suspension bearings, steering head bearings, wheel bearings, caliper & MC rebuild.
  • 60K Miles: Throttle bodies, Valve seals, Radiator hoses, Front/Rear shock.

Being stored in side is a big plus, especially for the rubber and plastic bits. Also, if you like to cross creeks or ride in the rain or in cold weather states with salted roads these 100K items should be replaced at 60K miles.
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Probably they will be fine. For me, probably would not be good enough. I'm with MAZ4ME on this one: maintenance and checks are done to catch things before they become a problem.

Another way to look at it: If I was a potential buyer for your bike (and the price was right), I would offer to split the cost of a valve check/adjust at your local dealer. I wouldn't buy it without the valve check, though.

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You dont know what you dont know, and you can't know until you check.
"Probably", and "It should be" are not substitutes for actually knowing.
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I checked mine at 17,000 miles and they were okay. Checked them again at 41,000 miles and two were out. I'm stretching out my checks as the mileage gets higher. I think the consensus is that the higher the mileage the less likely they will need adjusting. Check out this poll.

https://stromtrooper.com/information...-had-done.html

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Ive too have noticed that with my bikes purchased new, at higher mileages fewer needed to be adjusted. Normal break-in wear, etc.
But a consensus or poll isnt going to check my particular bike, isnt going to adjust it, or know if a valve is or isnt in spec.
And it most certainly isnt a justification for not doing the work.
To me, there is another aspect to this: An engine with valves in spec simply performs better. Ive seen on this and other sites riders spend untold $$$ on mods, farkles, you name it, but for some unknown reason go numb when asked about maintenance. Why WOULDNT you want the best the engine has to offer by doing adjustments that are part of routine maintenance? With items like like air filters or spark plugs the wear is over such a long time or mileage interval that you may not notice the degradation in performance. Valve adjustments fall into that same category. You could be missing out on improvements in throttle reponse, power, or fuel economy. Why would you want that?

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I checked the clearances on my Strom at 16000 miles and they were all in the middle of the specified range. I am due for another check now that the bike shows over 48,000, but its too hot now. I last changed the regular plugs at 21,000 miles and my Strom starts quicker than my FJR that I recently tuned up.
I will add that I am using Techron fuel system... and it seems to be helping both bikes.

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post #10 of 44 Old 07-13-2018, 07:48 PM Thread Starter
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Just found the valve clearance paperwork from 2011. What ye say? Can someone splain it to me based on these numbers?

I had the bike stripped down but got cold feet, ended up having a shop complete it. Didn't really trust them though...
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