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post #1 of 18 Old 11-08-2005, 04:14 PM Thread Starter
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05 DL1K Haynes Manual--04 ok??

Any changes from 04 to 05 (DL1000) with regard to using the Haynes manual?? What's a girl to do if there's no 05 specific info published?? What are you 05 owners using?

Thanks in advance for the help.

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What's a "Haynes Manual?" Is it an aftermarket publication? I just finished requesting a new Suzuki shop manual for mine.

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post #3 of 18 Old 11-08-2005, 10:26 PM
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You can download the whole service manual here : http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/VStrom.html .
There are also online parts catalogs.
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You can download the whole service manual here : http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/VStrom.html .
There are also online parts catalogs.
Thanks VERY much for the link!
I do prefer the hardback especially since I can throw it in my tank bag. Oh, and I'm very partial to the Haynes manuals since the pictures are quite helpful for those of us w/the mechanical knowledge of a banana! :wink:

So, my original question... can I safely refer to the Haynes DL1000 2002-2004 manual for issues w/my K5???? Basically, does anyone know specifically what is different??

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Stromette,

Far as I know the only difference between your K5 and my K4 is the color. If anyone else knows otherwise I would certainly stand corrected.

As for the matter of the "online" service manual, that link does take you to a posted copy of the factory manual. As someone who is in the publishing business, I can guess that manual is not public domain. It is a product of someone's work. That's what they do for a living. It is not free and should not be posted without of the permission of the owner. Since the big S still sells this book for profit, I don't think they've agreed to let anyone give it away.

It's pretty handy to get the information immediately and for free, but you know what? It's stealing. Of course as someone who publishes and sells books for a living, I am a bit biased here but stealing is stealing. I am not going to tell Suzuki those links are there but sooner or later they're going to find out and they'll likely take action against the responsible parties.

Just my two cents, thanks for letting me vent.

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It's pretty handy to get the information immediately and for free, but you know what? It's stealing. Of course as someone who publishes and sells books for a living, I am a bit biased here but stealing is stealing. I am not going to tell Suzuki those links are there but sooner or later they're going to find out and they'll likely take action against the responsible parties.

Just my two cents, thanks for letting me vent.

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In all actuality, the verbage in the manual doesn't imply any usage restrictions. A general copyright provides protection from copying for profit or enhancement of the said copyright for profit without prior permission.

Examples are CD and movies; where they will explicitly inform you that you can not in any way copy the media except for personal backup reasons.

Now people that sell on eBay are breaking the law. Making available manuals with a generic copyright amongst each other is not infringment, and I've even had both Honda and Kawasaki inform me verbally that it was okay during times where they were out of certain manuals for their newest motorcycles.
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Sandyeggo,

If you made your living writing (and selling) such books and found someone had posted your book on the internet for folks to read for free, would you care?

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'06 KLX 250S (more fun than people should be allowed to have)
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'72 CL-350 (on injured reserve list at this time)

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Sandyeggo,

If you made your living writing (and selling) such books and found someone had posted your book on the internet for folks to read for free, would you care?

Jeff
If I cared I would place a legally binding copyright statement in my book to prohibit any inferred and allowed usage.

Suzuki isn't in the manual-selling business; they probably break even at the cost so they probably aren't worried; hence the minimal copyright verbage that will NOT stand up in court for shared usage and reproduction with no compensatory requirement.

The first question to ask is; "What are your copyright restrictions, and were are they outlined". It has to be printed in the book.

Likely answer is; "The simplified copyright disallows someone besides Suzuki America Corp to make money by the reproduction of our manual.". Any other uses are implied.

That is the only protection they have in place with the standard copyright with no other written details.
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You can bet your butt, that I will download the online manual!! :wink: And, I will buy a hardback version too!!! See... no money will be lost!
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Sandyeggo,

I didn't mean to wind you up. Do what you like.

I have a copy of the Suzuki factory book and Haynes H4038.
Paid for them both.

Wrench well,

Jeff

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