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post #1 of 11 Old 06-17-2010, 08:07 PM Thread Starter
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Not another Madstad thread!

Sorry, yes! :mrgreen:

I picked up a Madstad bracket from bikehps.com today. My first problem came before it was even on the bike - there were two M6 spring washers missing. Cue several trips around local hardware and automotive outlets!

With the washers in hand (although not matt black, a nice shiny zinc) I set about mounting the bracket. The hardest bit was waiting for the thoughtfully provided alcohol wipe to dry before affixing the rubber pads.

I'm not sure how much of a difference it has made. I'm using a stock shield, I'm 6' 2'', it's mounted to the 'middle' position and I get my best results having it set all the way up, and as vertical as possible - in other words, almost exactly like the stock screen bracket! As soon as I tip it back, I get more problems than the more vertical it is, and I thought the tipping back was meant to help.

I propose to try it on the highest setting now, and then I might think about a Givi - so long as it doesn't knock the OEM handguards when the steering locks.

I will keep posting updates as I go along though
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post #2 of 11 Old 06-18-2010, 06:12 PM
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I have the GIVI, so can't speak for your exact set up, but noticed a lot of people here seem to have a lot of success with the shield tilted back about half way. I personally prefer the angle to be closer to matching the angle of the headlight. I find it just works better for me. I think this will be a trial and error situation for you. Fortunately it's easy to loosen the knobs and try different settings.

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I guess it all depends on what you expect Madstad will do for you.
Simply looking at the size of the stock screen (or most any screen available for that matter) it becomes apparent that it will not shield you from the air movement completely, Madstad or not. What Madstad does however is allows you to change the airflow pattern reducing and in some cases eliminating the turbulence causing buffeting and makes the ride quieter and more pleasurable. I have installed my Madstad to compliment the Givi screen and although I still get some airflow over my helmet I can perfectly hear my engine now (drilled stock pipe and deleted peashooter) and the wind noise is no longer deafening.
I'm 6'4" and the progression for me was a s follows:
1. Stock screen - unacceptable, no matter what position I tried, terrible buffeting slapping the sides of the helmet with mighty force at freeway speeds.
2. Givi screen, much better, but no matter how high I placed it the turbulence due to almost plumb placement was annoying and the ride was noisy.
3. Givi with Madstad, low mounting setting, screen extended 90% up, tilted ~3-5 deg. - clean airflow, barely any noise, still feels like a motorcycle but without a trace of nausea inducing buffeting or turbulence

I didn't try the stock screen/Madstad combo because with my height I am fairly sure I'd end up disappointed anyway.

I also couldn't try middle mount point because sadly the original owner has stripped one of the lower retaining threads on the bike's cowling, so my Madstad can only be mounted securely in low position, which btw is what they suggest for taller screens anyway.
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post #4 of 11 Old 10-20-2010, 11:18 PM
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Can all wind turbulence and buffeting be eliminated?

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Simply looking at the size of the stock screen (or most any screen available for that matter) it becomes apparent that it will not shield you from the air movement completely, Madstad or not. What Madstad does however is allows you to change the airflow pattern reducing and in some cases eliminating the turbulence causing buffeting and makes the ride quieter and more pleasurable.
We can only hope.

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I have installed my Madstad to compliment the Givi screen and although I still get some airflow over my helmet I can perfectly hear my engine now (drilled stock pipe and deleted peashooter) and the wind noise is no longer deafening.
But your pipes are now deafening. Which is worse? Wind noise or loud pipes?

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1. Stock screen - unacceptable, no matter what position I tried, terrible buffeting slapping the sides of the helmet with mighty force at freeway speeds.
I run with the stock windshield in the highest setting, no Madstad, but I have never experienced "terrible buffeting, slapping the sides of the helmet with mighty force at freeway speeds". Since getting my K10 wee I have been pleasantly surprised with how little buffeting there is at high speed. Compared with my Yamaha Road Star with an aftermarket batwing fairing my wee is several degrees less punishing in the wind.

I can't really understand this obsession that many stommers have with eliminating all effects of the wind. Lets consider these facts:

- Air has mass and when motion is introduced you have air becoming a force. The faster you plow through that air mass the more pressure and friction that air will have on you and your bike.
- You are not sitting in a sealed cocoon (read: inside a caged vehicle).
- Riding a motorcycle puts you outside in the airstream where you will feel its force and frictional elements whether you like it or not. (It's one of the primary reasons I enjoy riding a bike - at speed! There is a visceral impact - adds to all the sensations our bodies experience.)
- You can play around with the airflow to some extent (Madstad gadgets, etc.) but you are still gonna feel and hear that wind - in degrees of turbulence and sound.

Sound-free and buffet-free wind? Not going to happen - unless you are in a sealed chamber or in outer space.

A few months ago I was reading an article in one of the many moto magazines I subscribe to (can't remember which one) in which the author, quoted some research done in this field, that most of the sound we hear/experience when riding is due mainly to the aerodynamics (or lack thereof) of our helmets. The article also claims that poor helmet design contributes to much of the bouncing and swaying of our heads because of the way the air flows over/around the helmets.

Now I'm not an aeronautical engineer but even I can see that if you stick your big melon (enhanced by helmet size) out in the wind it's gonna get blowed around lots! And, don't think that puny little windscreen is gonna keep the wind at bay. You're sitting well back from it and since air is a fluid (a gas which takes on the properties of a fluid when in motion) it's not going to channel itself in straight lines as it rushes past you. Ever watch water running through a rocky stream?

So lets not get too carried away with trying to eliminate all of these effects of physics. It probably is a waste of time - and money! I eliminate much of the harmful effects of wind noise by wearing earplugs. You do all wear earplugs, don't you?

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I've run the stock screen and GIVI Touring Screen both with and without the Madstad.

I enjoyed a slight improvement with the Stock Screen / Madstad. The GIVI / Madstatd yielded much better results.

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So lets not get too carried away with trying to eliminate all of these effects of physics. It probably is a waste of time - and money! I eliminate much of the harmful effects of wind noise by wearing earplugs. You do all wear earplugs, don't you?
It isn't going to happen. Check out the 600+ post topic The ONE AND ONLY Buffeting and Wind Thread.

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Check out the 600+ post topic The ONE AND ONLY Buffeting and Wind Thread.
I am out of this discussion now. If I want to read 600+ posts on this topic
The ONE AND ONLY Buffeting and Wind Thread
I'll go there and I suggest everyone else do the same. :rolleyes1:
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So lets not get too carried away with trying to eliminate all of these effects of physics. It probably is a waste of time - and money! I eliminate much of the harmful effects of wind noise by wearing earplugs. You do all wear earplugs, don't you?
Consider yourself lucky. The buffeting is real, but for whatever reason, it sounds like you haven't experienced it. My experience is this:

I don't like naked bikes. No matter how "clean" the air might be, I can't take the wind noise, even with earplugs. I don't think the best helmet will remedy this for me.

I don't like the looks of a screen that's big enough to completely hide me from the wind. You might be suprised how quiet and pleasant it actually is in this kind of setup if you've never tried it.

The two above scenarios are easy. Either remove the screen, or buy the biggest honking screen you can find. I don't think Givi is big enough for complete protection, or any of the CalSci's in Large or smaller. Same goes for anything similar. I don't know about the Cee Bailey's, Manta, Windstrom, but if it's not BIG, you are not going to be completely sitting in the "pocket."

Disclaimer: If you are 5'5" and shorter, maybe the typical aftermarket screen does put you in the pocket. Great, you're done!

Anyway...

Most people on here are trying to find that middle ground. My experience says this middle ground is the most difficult thing to acheive. If you are not totally in the pocket, wind coming off the screen and bike is going to hit you in the body and helmet, and the trick is to find some combination of screen, screen tilt, screen height, mirrors, mirror position, helmet, riding position; that will keep the air from becoming turbulent BEFORE it hits you. You are still going to feel and hear air, and you might not be able to ride with your helmet visor completely open. You do have to have realistic expectations.

I'm very close with a CalSci Large, Madstad, Scorpion EXO-700 w/chin skirt, and Aprilia mirrors. I have a OEM Gel seat and a pad on top of that, so I'm sitting higher in the seat than most people 5'11". (I won't go into more specifics about Madstad positioning as it really doesn't matter for anyone but me.)

I'm going to try and find my little corner of perfection with a used Givi and MRA Spoiler attached. I don't have all the pieces yet. If this doesn't work, my current setup is really pretty good, and I can move onto buying other stuff for my bike!
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I am out of this discussion now. If I want to read 600+ posts on this topic
The ONE AND ONLY Buffeting and Wind Thread
I'll go there and I suggest everyone else do the same. :rolleyes1:
Thanks SCraig
Thank you. I'm glad someone got the hint

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