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post #1 of 22 Old 06-07-2008, 09:52 AM Thread Starter
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Chain Oiler Ideas - y'all jump on in!

Having owned several bikes, the weestrom is the first with an external chain requiring lubrication. I have noticed over the almost 4k miles I have ridden the bike that chain maintenance is the most time consuming part of riding the wee. It seems to me that what the world needs now is a good, cheap oiler that is reliable and doesn't over oil the chain. Having read a bunch of threads on the subject both here and on the the other Vstrom board, I have come to the conclusion that over/under oiling and the associated mess made by over oiling and the 'fiddle factor' associated with getting the feed head mounted and aligned using the stock mounting hardware are the major complaints with the loobman system.
So I ordered a loobman with the idea of re-engineering the mounting system and feed system to eliminate the problems with the factory mounting hardware and feed system. I decided that I wanted as much as possible to make the hardware strong and mechanically sound. So using the spool mounting hole on the bottom of the swingarm and building a bracket that would bolt to that would eliminate having to use thirty eleven cable ties to mount the fiddly factory bracket. This avoids drilling holes in the swingarm and makes aligning the feed head for the oil somewhat easier.
After visiting the hardware store and getting a better visual image of what would actually be required to make this bracket, this is what I came up with. A galvanized steel roofing bracket cut down became the 'donor' raw material for the bracket. After bending and tweaking it a bit, it is now ready for having a hole drilled to mount it where the left side spool would normally mount. Then we'll have to eyeball where the oil feed head will have to mount so its position on the rear sprocket is favorable. Once that is figured out and the hole in the new bracket drilled, we'll mount everything up and see how it comes together.
If I can figure out how to post pictures here, I'll even try getting a few of the bracket showing the simple construction and how it mounts up. Some of you guys will probably have access to materials and tools that I don't that would make this job even easier.
My whole motivation here is two-fold. First of all I think the cost of the 'better' oilers to be cost prohibitive. Over a hundred dollars for something that oils my chain for me seems ridiculous. Less than $50 sounds a he** of a lot better and if it can be simpler than the high dollar ones, then it should be more reliable as well. Secondly, having an oil feed to the chain that depends on electricity seems overly complicated. How about a simple valve that could be opened or closed to actuate the feed mechanism????
The downside to that idea is that it requires the rider to think about turning it on or off. But here's the deal, if you add one step to the process of preparing to ride (turning the valve on) and one step to parking the bike when you get where you are going (turning the valve off) then is that too much to remember to do? My guess is that for most of us, it won't be a big problem, especially once you get used to it.
The valve that I plan to use, if I can get one, would be the kind of valve used on an IV bag. An adjustable crimp on a small feed line with a "drip window" to show how fast the thing is dripping. I am thinking the feed bottle and the drip window could be mounted on the cross brace that is right next to the rear shock.
Any comments or suggestions for how I might improve on this whole thing are totally welcome. Who knows, maybe we can come up with something that would be easy enough to implement and use that the forum could actually make some money!!!

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This is my first chain street bike (since riding dirt bikes groing up) and I've only had it for about 2000 miles but I did a lot of research on chain lube/oilers and using oil that will just attract dirt is crazy to me. The teflon dry chain wax about every 500 miles is so easy and the chain has stayed clean.

Why go to something that will invite dirt and sling excess? It's like trying to build a better VCR when there is already a better solution.

Keep in mind, I live in florida....... we don't have dirt, Sand is everywhere....I don't want it sticking to my chain.
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Yeah, I can see the downside of having sand on the chain for sure. The week after we bought the wee we went down to the outer banks in NC and spent 6 days there. I did a fair amount of riding and the amount of sand that stuck to the chain just amazed me. Here in central VA though it is much different. The roads are generally cleaner here I would say and I find much less crud on the chain than I did at the beach. I am using the Dupont Chain Lube now and like it fairly well, it definitely keeps the chain cleaner than what I was using. I am wondering now if the whole idea is worth the trouble. Since I have gone this far with it, I'll probably spend way too many hours only to decide 6 months later it was NOT worth the trouble. :rolleyes:

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At the recommendation of my location Suzuki dealer I tried the Bel-Ray chain lube, I think they also sell it at amotostuff.com.

You spray it on when the chain is warm, as it cools it sets and doesn't fling/drip off. It is white colored so you can easily tell what was/wasn't sprayed and doesn't seem to attract dirt like the suzuki stuff I was using previously. So far I've been really happy with it compared to the Suzuki stuff.
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I am currentlly testing the Dupont chain lube and am reasonably pleased with how that is doing. Chain life is a question that won't be answered until I replace the chain, hopefully many thousands of miles down the road. The Dupont lube goes on almost clear and doesn't attract dirt seemingly at all. The only downside to this that I can see is you can't tell where the chain has been lubed so I am probably overapplying the stuff...at $5/can I imagine I'll go through $20/year at least of the stuff....but the back wheel is staying much cleaner than it did with previous lubes. Still, would like to see what a cheap simple well engineered chain oiler would do for chain and sprocket life, but that may get postponed until winter...work on the bike when I can't ride it. For now, I am seizing the moment to ride whenever possible.

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The problem with the spray on chain lubes I have tied is they become very difficult to clean off over time. They have a stick to it additive that makes them hard to remove. You really want to clean the chain every few applications, not just put more schmutz on it. Really difficult with the spray on types (like the Bel Ray stuff I last used) I have used 90 weight transmission oil for 30 years and find it to be the best overall lube for the job. A rag soaked in keroscene takes the mess right off. For a super clean job I use a brush and dip it in kero. As I understand it 90 weight is what mechanics use on racing motorcycles.
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I have 12,500 miles on my stock chain. I use either WD40 or that Dupont teflon lube, whatever is nearest to me. It is applied about every 600 miles or so. Seems to be working OK and does not attract dirt & sand.

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The Dupont lube goes on almost clear and doesn't attract dirt seemingly at all. The only downside to this that I can see is you can't tell where the chain has been lubed so I am probably overapplying the stuff....
Mark the chain with a piece of chalk so you know where to stop to avoid overlapping.
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I have seen a few homemade Loobmans. There is one that uses a hamster water bottle. I can find it in a minute I should be working right now. Anyway I have been thinking of something similar. As a side note I have been using chainsaw bar oil for about a year now. I clean with Kero and the apply the bar oil with an oil can. It doesn't fly off its very cheap and easily cleaned off with the Kero. It is also biodegradable. When I am on the road I touch up the chain with a little WD40 as needed. The wax stuff is expensive and makes a mess. So far 9k on the stock chain with only 2 adjustments. Still looks good!
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Here is a good link I think this guy is on here actually http://motophotofile.blogspot.com/20...1_archive.html

Iam trying to come up with something that opens a valve when the ignition is turned on. Kinda like a set of points. Or some other cheap solenoid.

Here is a neat solenoid setup on a Duc.
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=32419
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