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post #1 of 31 Old 03-14-2008, 05:12 PM Thread Starter
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Is the dealer trying to jive me?

I went in today for a new tire.

I've got 13,550 miles on the bike with a variety of riding including dusty dirt roads stream crossings, salty roads and florida salt air for a week.

I figured since they've got the rear wheel off, why not replace the front sprocket with a 16 toother? Hey they had one in stock, 20 clams.

Then I asked if they had a chain for the bike, too. Sho' nuff, 86 bucks.

Here's where it gets funky. The service guy says that if I replace the front sprocket and chain, I need to replace the rear sprocket ($46) or eveything will wear out prematurely. An evesdropping saleman concurred (That's when I got really suspicious).

I said if you can do it all now, fine, do it.

They couldn't. They need to order the rear sprocket, it'll be a few days. Well, what would I save in labor for having the wheel off already. Nothing. It's ala carte.

So they just put on the tire and I went home.

Here are my three questions:

1. How important is it to replace both sprockets and chain as a unit at almost 14,000 miles given my ride hard/put up wet maintenace program? (there are a couple of links that don't straighten out completely on their own.)

2. Shouldn't there be a labor cost savings if half of the second job is done by doing the first job at the same time?

3. How many beers, cusswords and Foghat LP's should I budget for the double-sprocket job if I do it myself? The dealer wants $75.

Any help or smart-ass remarks will be appreciated.

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I went in today for a new tire.

1. How important is it to replace both sprockets and chain as a unit at almost 14,000 miles given my ride hard/put up wet maintenace program? (there are a couple of links that don't straighten out completely on their own.)

2. Shouldn't there be a labor cost savings if half of the second job is done by doing the first job at the same time?

3. How many beers, cusswords and Foghat LP's should I budget for the double-sprocket job if I do it myself? The dealer wants $75.

Any help or smart-ass remarks will be appreciated.
1. 14k on a chain and sprockets can or can't be average, how often did you lube and adjust your chain? I lube after every ride, and I'm pretty anal about chain adjustment. I've gotten 20k out of a chain and steel sprockets on a smaller displacement bike. You also have to consider material- steel, aluminum, etc. And yes, replace everything at once, irregular wear will result. Why put a new chain on crappy sprockets? Why put fresh sprockets on a stretched chain?

2. Labor is labor, they'll charge either way, it's a job you can do yourself, trust me. I've done it. Easy, peasy. The hardest part is unbending the washer if it is bent over to lock it and then making sure you get all the spacers etc in the right order when putting the rear wheel on.

3. Foghat will just f$^& the job up. Don't listen to foghat. Listen to something smoothing like, oh, enya or yanni. You'll get the job because you'll be so relaxed. Kidding, kidding. Just plan plenty of time, lay out a clean WHITE cloth (parts like washers will stand out)to put the parts down on and you'll be set. This place is a great resource.

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I don't know if it is true, but I've always heard not to put on a new chain with worn sprockets. That may or may not be correct, but the service guy and salesman didn't just make it up. Like I said, a new chain may work fine on old sprockets, but I would probably get new ones for peace of mind. Of course I would put them on myself, I don't trust my bike to anyone else. Especially someone trying to get it out the door as fast as possible.

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Didn't seem they were trying to burn you, but they could've offered a break on the labor to keep your business, after all, they are running a business and they need to make some profit.
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Horse poop. If you can't see wear on the rear sprocket then don't replace it. My sprockets lasted until my third chain. My second chain on those old sprockets lasted longer then the first one. At around 30k I put on my third chain and swapped sprockets.

If you end up staggering your sprocket changes that might be a good thing. Also mail order yourself a JT rear sprocket and save yourself 25 bucks.

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You can "usually" wear out 2 fronts to 1 rear sprocket, the front takes most of the abuse. I see no logic in spending 100 dollars plus on a new chain, and not also replace at minimum the front sprocket. There are many things in life that you can get extra life out of, but is it really worth it? Change the rear sprocket yourself...it is easy to do, the front can be a challenge.

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What GrayWolf said and a little tip, use a chisel to move the bent washer on the front sprocket nut a little and then use a flat punch to flatten it out enough to remove the nut, do this first before any thing else and have some one stand on the rear break pedal so you can loosen the nut, don't use the transmission to try and hold the shaft from turning. After that its a piece of cake, but make sure you have some good hand cleaner handy

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You can "usually" wear out 2 fronts to 1 rear sprocket
Given that the front sprocket is a third the circumference of the rear, this makes absolutely perfect sense to me and is probably what made me feel like the dealer might be trying to hose me. On the other hand, I also understand that they don't want to deal with a callback if the new chain gets chewed up in 2000 miles because they didn't replace a sprocket.

I'm quite happy with the dealer, and I don't mind paying a little more for the parts and long as I don't feel like I'm being screwed. I know it'snot easy running a small independent business and I like keeping my money local.

I'm quite comfortable doing the wrenching for ths job, it will require making my son clean the garage, rounding up my wayward tools for the privelegdge (I'll spell it any way I please) of helping me.

Maybe if it rains like it's supposed to tomorrow I'll take a look at the front sprocket and post some pics. On the other hand, my wife said if it's not raining too hard she'd like to ride because she really needs to gain more wet weather riding experience.

Then I'll shoot pictures sunday while she's polishing her chrome.

Thanks a lot for all your help, I really appreciate you guys.

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Please consider something other than Foghat. The last thing you want to create is a "Slow Ride."

(you really lofted that one over the plate, can't believe I'm the first to swing at it)


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