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post #1 of 16 Old 10-10-2013, 04:37 AM Thread Starter
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Clutch replacement

I'm the second owner of my '06 Wee. I installed the SV cams/ K&N air filter/Akrapovic slipons/ and PCIII. I now have 56K miles and am about to change the clutch with a Barnett kit. My clutch shows no sign of an issue but at this mileage, and with the excessive clutching on my Key West trip, I want to change it before it causes an issue. I have acquired all the parts and gaskets to do the work and have the factory service manual to guide me(I have experience with my M/X racer), so my question is; Anyone have advice about what to expect as far as unusual snags? Who has done this before...and did you use the Barnett clutch? The only thing I've noticed lately about the clutch is that at the last instant of engagement is that it is a little soft. I did an experiment from a stop light yesterday and found that when I accelerated hard in 1st from a standstill, the clutch was too soft at that last point of engagement. I am looking for a stronger and slightly more abrupt engagement. By 'abrupt', I mean a stronger propelling forward right at the end of the clutch lever engagement.

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Although I never did anything to our wee clutch, I did upgrade the basket on our Vee and it was an easy job. Although the Vee's exibit the same poblem due to a sticking slave push rod, your Wee may just be a lack of adjustment. Other Wee owners will chime in.
As a side note, I have installed Barnett clutch's in other big bore, high torque VTwins and have found them well suited for quick launches and their baskets and hubs strong enough to not strip out from a steel shaft.
However I run a lot of police cone courses and have gone through several Barnett clutch packs from slipping the clutch so much. A call to Barnett confirmed that since this is not their intended use, they will not hold up under this circumstance. I don't know if the Barnett clutch for your Wee is similar in nature, but if one of your worries is excessive clutching on your trip, you might be better off with the OEM pack or give Barnett a call to confirm it won't be problematic.

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Although I never did anything to our wee clutch, I did upgrade the basket on our Vee and it was an easy job. Although the Vee's exibit the same poblem due to a sticking slave push rod, your Wee may just be a lack of adjustment. Other Wee owners will chime in.
As a side note, I have installed Barnett clutch's in other big bore, high torque VTwins and have found them well suited for quick launches and their baskets and hubs strong enough to not strip out from a steel shaft.
However I run a lot of police cone courses and have gone through several Barnett clutch packs from slipping the clutch so much. A call to Barnett confirmed that since this is not their intended use, they will not hold up under this circumstance. I don't know if the Barnett clutch for your Wee is similar in nature, but if one of your worries is excessive clutching on your trip, you might be better off with the OEM pack or give Barnett a call to confirm it won't be problematic.
I do the clutch adjustment at every other oil change which is about 5K miles. It's not that there is ANY problem with the clutch at all, it's just that previous bikes had that slightly abrupt grab right at the point where the clutch is fully engaged. My Wee has never done that and I was just wondering why. Last night, it occurred to me that the 5 rubber cushions in the rear hub might be absorbing the shock which makes the engagement so smooth. I received the Barnett clutch today and it says on the package that it is a carbon fiber kit with ALL plates plus springs.

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To the OP

I re-read your post trying to understand what you're trying to achieve. I think the Barnett springs will give you a more solid engagement. It's common for factory springs to get weak, especially by 56K.
My guess is you'll be happy with a new clutch.

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I don't understand why you are spending the money for this.

With over 125,000 miles on my 2006 the clutch works great and has been used hard through most of it's life. I'd keep all the parts for the OEM clutch as they are probably still plenty good.

The closest thing to an issue I had with the clutch was with the actuating mechanism. The spot weld that holds the lever onto the worm drive broke. I fixed for less than $50 Canadian $ and this was (iirc) around 50,000 or 60,000 miles.

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I don't understand why you are spending the money for this.

With over 125,000 miles on my 2006 the clutch works great and has been used hard through most of it's life. I'd keep all the parts for the OEM clutch as they are probably still plenty good.

The closest thing to an issue I had with the clutch was with the actuating mechanism. The spot weld that holds the lever onto the worm drive broke. I fixed for less than $50 Canadian $ and this was (iirc) around 50,000 or 60,000 miles.

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Apparently, my original post wasn't clear enough so I will explain further. I'm anal retentive. Yep, I like to plan ahead for possible problems and prevent them happening. I'm planning on an extended trip to the Rockies next spring and would like to feel that my clutch won't be a problem that could strand me. I like to wrench. The cost isn't so high when I do the job myself. I hate to sweat so the cooler weather is an attractive time to do the work. If you get/got 100K + miles on your clutch, great for you. Plus, I simply want to change the clutch. Not trying to be sarcastic, just answering you.

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Apparently, my original post wasn't clear enough so ...
Sounds like good reasons for you. I just always find it odd to take the effort to change things when what is there is working fine and likely will for a long time but that's just me I guess.

Good luck with the clutch and I would be interested in knowing how it feels compared to stock once you have done it.

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For you to get that many miles on your bike on the original clutch is pretty amazing. Do you ride the bike mostly on interstates or other usage where you don't use the clutch that much? I suspect that my clutch is probably stock since I bought the bike with 32K miles on the clock. This last trip was about 1,600 miles(or more) with a ton of stop'n go traffic on A1A and Hwy1 to Key West and back to Sunny Hills, Fla. No such thing as syncing the traffic lights so it was a ton of clutch usage. This trip was not fun for me because of the boring roads, stop'n go traffic lights. Now, Key West was fine as we stayed in a private condo. Peeps there ride scooters. That's the way to see Key West, fly in, rent a scooter, stay at a private condo(much cheaper than a motel and MUCH nicer with kitchens, pools, private parking...etc.). Sorry, rambled on. Anyway, bottom line is that with the amount of clutch usage on this trip + 57K on the clock AND the planned trip to Colorado, I'd feel better with a new clutch, not to mention how I just like to tinker.

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BTW....I understand how you or anyone else might find it odd that I want to install a new clutch when it is working fine with relatively low miles. Conversely, I find it odd that you would continue pushing the limits on your bike at such high mileage when that clutch could begin to slip at any time on a trip or day-to-day riding. From my perspective, why tempt a clutch failure that 'probably' will happen at the worst conceivable time? Murphy's Law. I'm 60 with aching joints and arthritis starting to attack my fingers so I don't want to be stuck on side of the road in the Rockies nearly 2K miles from home. I'm simply trying to prepare for the worst case scenario.

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'94 Kawasaki KLX250 modded to 340cc's
'00 Yamaha YZ426F
'94 Yamaha 125 scooter
'05 Vespa E4 scooter
'68 Vespa VBB scooter (restored)
'06 Wee
'03 Honda S2000 roadster

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I re-read your post trying to understand what you're trying to achieve. I think the Barnett springs will give you a more solid engagement. It's common for factory springs to get weak, especially by 56K.
My guess is you'll be happy with a new clutch.
Good call. Maybe that's why I am experiencing that non-positive engagement right at the end of when the clutch bites. Perhaps it is a combination of the rubber hub 'dampers' plus the the soft spring? If this design is behaving as expected then that is excellent since my clutch engages very VERY smoothly. It'll be interesting to see if the Barnett enages with more authority since it comes with ALL plates + springs. Just received it last week and it appears to be a quality product.

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'00 Yamaha YZ426F
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