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post #1 of 33 Old 02-20-2013, 01:44 PM Thread Starter
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I'd made up my mind yesterday... was set to go buy a new '12 Vee with (probably) Givi bags on Saturday... then I made the mistake of trawling Craigslist. Found a 2003 BMW R1150RT with less than 20K miles listed at an attractive price. Hmmm... shaft drive, ABS, probably better weather protection and handwarmers already in place... now I'm torn... A shiny (and lighter) new Vee (with probably a better transmission) would be nice, too...

Either bike will have the ergos I'm looking for, and either bike will have plenty of power for two-up mountain riding. I likely wouldn't potentially have to fiddle with the F/I on the BMW.

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Well, you can join the BMW forums and talk about oil and high dealer prices for service and a whole string of things important like that or you can get a bike that won't cost as much and stay here and brag about how smart you are.
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Easy call, you need both. :mrgreen:

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I would be concerned about maintainence costs. Obviously read up on it on the forums.

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The fact that you would tempted by a bike that is very different than the DL650 just because it's being offered at "an attractive price" suggests that you don't yet know what you want out of a bike. As a former BMW GS owner, I understand the allure of the BMW, but it would make more sense if you were comparing a GS to the DL, not an RT.

Ask yourself what kind of riding will you be doing (or think you want to do). If it's purely street riding and touring (especially 2 up) then the RT may make more sense. If what you want to do includes some off pavement adventure, the the RT is the wrong bike--you should be considering the GS or the DL.

If you're mainly attracted to the BMW image, well there's nothing to do but decide which model (and pay the price).
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Well, you can join the BMW forums and talk about oil and high dealer prices for service and a whole string of things important like that or you can get a bike that won't cost as much and stay here and brag about how smart you are.
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The fact that you would tempted by a bike that is very different than the DL650 just because it's being offered at "an attractive price" suggests that you don't yet know what you want out of a bike. As a former BMW GS owner, I understand the allure of the BMW, but it would make more sense if you were comparing a GS to the DL, not an RT.

Ask yourself what kind of riding will you be doing (or think you want to do). If it's purely street riding and touring (especially 2 up) then the RT may make more sense. If what you want to do includes some off pavement adventure, the the RT is the wrong bike--you should be considering the GS or the DL.

If you're mainly attracted to the BMW image, well there's nothing to do but decide which model (and pay the price).
Actually, both the DL1000 (not 650) I'm contemplating and the R1150RT are well-suited to the kind of riding I'm contemplating: 99% asphalt, 80% two-up; many half-day canyon- and pass-blasts, a good number of full-day rides, and a few multi-day tours each season. The "allure of the BMW," for me, consists of shaft final drive, better weather protection, and ABS. The Suzuki boasts a more appealing engine character, lighter weight, a better transmission, and a new-bike warranty.

I've been going back and forth all day; currently leaning V-Strom...
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Vee's have there own issues... However, BMW does stand for "Bring My Wallet"... and not to mention BMW are well know for their catastrophic drive shaft failures....

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Vee's have there own issues... However, BMW does stand for "Bring My Wallet"... and not to mention BMW are well know for their catastrophic drive shaft failures....
I've been thinking, F/I can eventually be sorted out, but vibration is forever...
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Actually, both the DL1000 (not 650) I'm contemplating and the R1150RT are well-suited to the kind of riding I'm contemplating: 99% asphalt, 80% two-up; many half-day canyon- and pass-blasts, a good number of full-day rides, and a few multi-day tours each season. The "allure of the BMW," for me, consists of shaft final drive, better weather protection, and ABS. The Suzuki boasts a more appealing engine character, lighter weight, a better transmission, and a new-bike warranty.

I've been going back and forth all day; currently leaning V-Strom...
Oh, right--you did say Vee not Wee. The RT isn't a bad choice for the way you want to ride and I see why you would be considering it--especially if it's a clean bike at a good price. The Vee could handle it too and still allow for a little more off-highway travel. Obviously with the Vee you'll give up ABS and shaft drive. Maybe those two things alone put the BMW in the lead?

Since the bikes are so different in character from each other, you really should ride both if possible before deciding. One of the two will rise to the top after a comparison ride.

One thing to consider on the RT--I'm pretty sure the 2003 model is a single spark whereas the 2004+ are twin-spark which was designed in part to help solve some of the famous boxer engine surging issues. It's possible that it's a twin-spark though depending on the mfg. date. If it's a single-spark, it would be important to test ride it to make sure it's not a bad surger. Some were worse than others. You might want to do a Google search on the surging issue.

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Oh, right--you did say Vee not Wee. The RT isn't a bad choice for the way you want to ride and I see why you would be considering it--especially if it's a clean bike at a good price. The Vee could handle it too and still allow for a little more off-highway travel. Obviously with the Vee you'll give up ABS and shaft drive. Maybe those two things alone put the BMW in the lead?

Since the bikes are so different in character from each other, you really should ride both if possible before deciding. One of the two will rise to the top after a comparison ride.

One thing to consider on the RT--I'm pretty sure the 2003 model is a single spark whereas the 2004+ are twin-spark which was designed in part to help solve some of the famous boxer engine surging issues. It's possible that it's a twin-spark though depending on the mfg. date. If it's a single-spark, it would be important to test ride it to make sure it's not a bad surger. Some were worse than others. You might want to do a Google search on the surging issue.
Sounds good. I'm waiting for a reply from the seller re: one-spark vs. two.
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