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post #1 of 10 Old 05-03-2012, 04:44 AM Thread Starter
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KLR & Wee

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Just sold one of me two KLRs.The road use one.
Now thinking of a Wee as the replacement.Will be used as a black top touring/fun bike,just a little good gravel road use to get into the camp sites.
Anyone out there in Strom land with KLR & Wee that can give me some genuine comparisons of the two,used on the black top.First as a long distance tourer and also as a fun bike in the twisties.
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post #2 of 10 Old 05-03-2012, 07:38 AM
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Lots of us here have both.
[and many of the KLR650.net members seem to have a Wee or a Vee as a "companion" in the stable]

The KLR [the older version, not so much the newer models] is better on the dirt and single track stuff......but is pretty much crap for serious road touring.

The Wee is capable on dirt roads, hard work [unless you are a really good dirt rider] on trails and single track.
It also lacks ground clearance and long travel suspension for serious trails.

On the tar and loaded up for long distance touring it is awesome as an all rounder, the advantage of doing dirt comfortably is a bonus when interesting side roads appear.

The combination of a KLR and a Wee is a good option from my personal experience.

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post #3 of 10 Old 05-04-2012, 04:49 PM Thread Starter
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G'day Ocker
Thats not a genuine comparason mate.Thats broad statements
KLR crap tourer that would have got ya a few arguments at the KLRRR.
Thanks for that but more info please.
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I just sold my KLR. it was very well set up for anything you could throw at it. i had a lot of sprocket combos for it, etc.

Then i tried to run it in a desert race/ride. it went up for sale the following weekend.

the KLR is a great base to build on. it can be a good LD tourer, it can be good at gravel, hell, it can even be good at gnarly single track. It will never be great at anything. the vee/wee is also a good platform to build from. i went towards the sport touring route with my vee. it's excellent. OTOH, it terrifies me on gravel.

in summary. get a supermoto with a set of dirt wheels/ tires. you'll be immensely happy. that's my next purchase with the vee as my commuter.



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G'day Ocker
Thats not a genuine comparason mate.Thats broad statements
KLR crap tourer that would have got ya a few arguments at the KLRRR.
Thanks for that but more info please.
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G'day Macca,

I didn't say the KLR was a crap tourer, I said it was crap for "serious road touring" [I have just spent eight and a half hours on mine today, even though I didn't cover a huge distance I'd say it is a capable dirt road tourer. I could string a few days or a week together and ride back roads and dirt ok on it, I wouldn't like to do that on tar with it though].

The KLR suffers from too many vibes through the bars and footpegs for long hours on the seat, you need to be up and down and moving around on the bike to avoid the numbness.
They also burn oil if running at highway revs for long stretches.

The Wee/Vee Strom on the other hand, is a great highway tourer that is capable on dirt but not real comfortable for serious dirt trails as it is on the heavy side and needs better suspension travel and ground clearance [there are some here who will dispute that with photos and RR's as proof that it is a great dirt bike- I would suggest it comes down to rider skills for them and my "Joe Average" dirt skills are not up to muscling and throwing mine around like a motocross bike].

I can spend 12+ hours on the Wee and cover up to a 1000km in that time.

The Wee-Strom is super reliable and damned near bullet proof with next no recurring issues.

The KLR has known issues like the doohickey [engine balancer], oil burning and a couple of other things but there are fixes and upgrades available that won't break the wallet.

If you have to have just one bike, first decide what you will use it for most.

For weekends and trips involving more dirt than tar, with commuting thrown in, then the KLR would be a good option [many consider the 87-07 as the best due to better dirt ability, 08 onwards had suspension changes and new plastics that are more vulnerable to damage and more expensive to repair when dropped].
I have ridden both and have not found an 2008-2011 that goes as well as the earlier ones I have test ridden.

If the use will be more tar oriented trips with some dirt thrown in along with commuting then the Wee will be by far the better choice [or the Vee if you think you can't live without horsepower- the Wee is more than capable of two up loaded as well as losing your licence very quickly though].

If you can manage to convince the "Minister of Finance and War" to allow you to keep the KLR [if you have one] then get a Wee- with ABS- that is also set up and you will have the best of both worlds.

You should be able to get a Wee for around $6000 with ABS, less for the non ABS models [they are just as good but if you do go non ABS try to get an 07 or later- I think that is when they went to two spark plugs per cylinder].

There are also insurance deals available if you insure two or more bikes with one insurance company [I got my KLR comprehensively insured cheaper than I could get TPO insurance because my Wee is insured with the same company].

The only added cost to owning two bikes is the annual rego/insurance because you only ride one at a time so tyres/fuel/parts balances out between the two for dollars spent per km covered.

I just re-read your original post and think I have edited mine to cover what you asked.
Have you ridden a Wee yet? [PM me if you are in the Sydney area and I might be able to let you take a spin on mine].

And Macca,
SGTBob likes the saying that is in my sig line [as he copied and pasted it from there], he also obviously likes the fact that many members here have saying in their sig lines that are a positive outlook on life.
It seems to be an "attitude" thing that the members here generally are positive about many things in their lives.

This is one of the most supportive and "positive outlook" forums I have participated in.

Cheers and good luck with choosing a bike,
Ock.

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post #8 of 10 Old 05-07-2012, 03:39 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks Ocker
I have been using the KLRs for everything the past 4 years.Been happy enough,even on 800-1000kl days,BUT the tar trip home from the Flinders(and having sold D2,the road one) got me thinking its time for a road bike for road rides once more:mrgreen:.The R90s project in the shed isn't likely to be completed for a year or two so a Wee could be on the horizon.
Dexta the dirty KLR will be kept for the dirt as its set up for that purpose.
Always had a soft spot for the Wee but the bloody ugly look of the things turned me off:frown:.Now the 12 looks half OK I cant use that as a excuse not to buy oneDont want/need a V,bigger isn't necessarily better at my time of life.
Thanks for the offer of a spin but I will see if I can arrange a decent test ride here in Brisbane,or even better hire one for a couple of days.The twice around the block that most bike shops consider as a test ride just aint enough to see if it stokes the fires of fun.
Also have the Triumph 800,V7 Racer,Thruxton(loved my 01 Bonnie)and a few others on the list.All horses for courses I know. Some serious thinking about usage to be done.One big thing in the Wees favour is the price,brilliant value for money.Pity the same cant be said for the Guzzie.
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Macca,

I took a Tiger 800XC for a ride, thought it was good but didn't seem as easy to flick through corners as the Wee is [the Wee just goes where you THINK, I felt the Tiger had to be physically forced to turn].

Even my old KLR seems to handle better on the tar, it takes little effort to turn as well.

I think the Tiger would be on the top of my list if I had to have only one bike and wanted to do serious dirt as well as long distance tar trips.
There is a video around of Tigers fording a really deep creek [on a Victoria/NSW ride I think] and I was really impressed with what they could do on the trails.
The Tiger would take some time in the saddle, but so do most bikes.

It is hard to beat the value and ability of the Wee as an all round bike, great on tar, good on dirt, top commuter, and trail capable if you do some mods and have good dirt skills.

The old KLR650 makes an almost perfect back up to have in the garage for the more dirt oriented days and a fill in for commuting as well.

Have fun testing the Wee, the new model seems good but there is nothing wrong with the earlier models either.

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post #10 of 10 Old 05-07-2012, 01:14 PM
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2 Completely Different Bikes, in my opinion...

I have a number of bikes, including a '09 KLR and a '12 DL650A with the factory bags.

I have made numerous multi-day trips on the KLR, haven't yet on the DL. I've modified the KLR by installing a doohickey, and last month, I installed a new rear shock with a more appropriate spring rate and hydraulic preload adjustment.

I bought my KLR on Labor Day in 2009, with .4 miles on it, for 4200.00. That's right, 4200.00! I bought TCI rear rack and Cortech bags, also Happy Trails panniers and SU rack, saddle bags from Aerostich as well as a Motofizz bag for the tail. Lastly, I put a Seat Concepts seat kit on the KLR and I can spend 5~6 hours non-stop (except for 1 fuel fill-up) on D-606's on pavement, my ears go numb before my butt or hands do, and have spent 13 hours on it only stopping for fuel and very quick lunch on Metzler Tourance, and yes, by hour thirteen, the day is long and I have to get off.

My total investment in making the KLR super-reliable and comfortable was less than 300.00, and I only did the doohickey for the cheap insurance... The are 10s of thousands of KLRs out there without doohickeys...

I'm not knocking the DL650's (the 2012's at least, no experience with previous years) at all. It's a beautiful bike (did I say that???) and like I said before in another post, riding it is like spreading soft butter on hot toast. It's a joy to ride. I can pack plenty of stuff in it and I'm not as wind blasted as I am on the KLR. It feels like the street/sport bikes I walked away from quite some time ago. I'll definitely take it down the gravel forest or logging road, and I'm sure it will be totally capable in that capacity, but for going on a real ride, the ride where I leave civilization and become one with the dirt, it'll be the KLR for the 2 track and some single track, and for those times that I want to absolutely vanish, the '09 KL250 gets me there, along with all the gear.

The DL cost as much as the KLR and the KL with the accesories I bought for both. The KLR and the KL are true, go-anywhere bikes, and I think that because my investment was much less on the KLR and the KL, I'm more inclined to go to that out of the way place on one of the two Kawasaki's.

When I want the feel of silk underwear, I'll ride the DL and enjoy the refinement, smoothness and invitation to take to the paved twisties. And when I want to feel like a modern day cowboy or explorer/adventurist, it's the Kawasaki's... All three bikes are GREAT bike in their own regard!

If you can afford to, have both! And even more!!!

Next up, a DRz400!

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