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post #1 of 32 Old 02-20-2012, 11:43 PM Thread Starter
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Considering a Vee, any Regrets?

Hi Guys,

For the past 3 years I have been lurking on the Wee forum every day at work, fully intending to buy myself a Wee this year. After having a test ride I knew I would need the taller seat from the Vee, so today I decided to test ride a Vee just to get a feel for the difference in ergonomics (and to have a little fun).

Anyway, as soon as I sat on the Vee, I thought "hang on, this is pretty light". All the years I have been reading about the Wee had lead me to believe the Vee was a totally top heavy pig of a bike. Compared to my old Bandit 1200 the Vee felt really nice and easy to move around.

So anyway I took it for a 40 minute ride and I really liked it. I am currently riding a GSX 650F so I have been missing the power a bit lately. I am now considering making an offer on the Vee as early as this weekend. I am worried it will go quickly.

Here are the details of the bike I rode:
2008 DL 1000, silver, 38,000km, hand guards, belly pan, centre stand. All of the accessories are ones I would have bought for any vstrom I ended up with.

Anyway, what I am getting around to asking is do any of you Vee owners wish you got the Wee instead? The dealership also has a beautiful Wee for a great price and it probably remains the more sensible option. The little time I have spent at the Vee section of the forum shows a long list of frightening problems, most notably "clutch chudder" (no idea what this is) and fuelling problems that require a power commander. The bike I rode seemed to run pretty good, though I guess it was a bit rougher than the inline fours I am used to but I expected that from a twin. I dont want a bike that I am having to constantly tinker with to get it running right, but as I said I was pretty happy with the way the bike I rode was running.

Does the fact that it is a relatively late model (2008 ) mean that many problems have been ironed out, or do I have nasty surprises ahead if I buy this bike? Are there any issues I should check out next time I have a look? Why do Vees get such a bad rap?

The way I feel at the moment, buying a Vee means I get the comfort of the Wee but with the all the power I need.

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My 09 V will probably go down as the very best bike I've ever owned. It doesn't do any one thing the best but will do everything very good. It's truly a ride and forget bike for me. I've got about 27,000 miles on mine. I rode it to and from Del Rio, TX (2600 miles) this past September. At least 3,000 of the 27,000 miles have been off pavement. As for the weight......its no problem at all in the tight twisties or the gravel fire roads. As ya might know, its no knobbied dual sport with regard to the slick, muddy or really tight off road stuff. I came off of a KTM 950 and regularily use all 1000 cc's of the V. Good Luck.............Mark

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In short; the later model means nothing. Suzuki built a bike and did one cosmetic revision in the 3rd year and kept stamping them out. Nothing wrong with it, but the fueling issues are still going to be there and the chudder is still going to be there too. Minor nuisances in the long run. Get the fueling issue fixed and move on. The chudder, while annoying at first, is a non-issue for reliability.

One thing for sure; this bike (at least mine) needs a throttle body synch every 6K miles. And it is a pain in the keester. Other than that, throw oil at it and keep the tank topped off and ride away.

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Get the fueling issue fixed and move on. The chudder, while annoying at first, is a non-issue for reliability.
Fix it with a Commander ? What would happen if I didn't? I assume this is to resolve the response at low RPM?

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needs a throttle body synch every 6K miles. And it is a pain in the keester.
That would be about once per year for me. This sounds like something I would have to pay to get done, is it expensive?

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throw oil at it...
...like any other bike, or are the Vees particularly thirsty for oil?
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09 Wee-Strom bought brand new.

55,000+km

Things done since new; routine services- tyres- fuel- rear brake pads x 1 set @ 48,000km- front sprocket x 1 @ 50,000km- chain x 1 @ 50,000km

No throttle body sync, no clutch shudder [the correct term for what it is], or any other issues of any kind.

Front brake pads are now due to be done, rear sprocket was still looking like new and will last until the next chain and front sprocket are due.

You can do much of the basic work yourself, such as brakes- chain/sprockets, oil changes, and so on if you have a moderate level of skill.

The Wee has all the performance you need for real world road riding, even two up.

As for the seat, find someone with the 1000 who wants a lower seat and swap the 650 seat with them, the two seats are interchangeable and the 1000 seat is higher than the 650.

And the 650 can be had with ABS as an option.

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Remember Internet is for complaining so you always will have a disproportionate amount of problems

USA and EURO have crazed greens that make SUZI make the jetting very lean. That is the reason you will hear to correct it immediately. I don't know if AUSSIE suffers from this.

You can drive your VEE to 300,000 KMS chuddering all the way. It can be MODIFIED to make it smoother if you choose.

I like to go to the little back roads with less police presence and it is the prefect tool for that.

Good/bad of 1K my real mileage is like 39 mpg and rear tire life is like 5000 miles

I have had superbikes for 40 years and even going back to 98 HP seemed a big step.

Vee > Wee in critical Smiles per mile
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VEE GOOD

Remember Internet is for complaining so you always will have a disproportionate amount of problems

USA and EURO have crazed greens that make SUZI make the jetting very lean. That is the reason you will hear to correct it immediately. I don't know if AUSSIE suffers from this.

You can drive your VEE to 300,000 KMS chuddering all the way. It can be MODIFIED to make it smoother if you choose.

I like to go to the little back roads with less police presence and it is the prefect tool for that.

Good/bad of 1K my real mileage is like 39 mpg and rear tire life is like 5000 miles

I have had superbikes for 40 years and even going back to 98 HP seemed a big step.

Vee > Wee in critical Smiles per mile
"Good/bad of 1K my real mileage is like 39 mpg and rear tire life is like 5000 miles" yep.......this is dead on from my experience. I might get a tad bit better MPG if I'm puttering at 55 at distance. I've never had any problems with fueling nor any other problems that were not related to my stupidity or abuse of the bike. I did finally change to a Suzuki gel seat which suites me much better.

Also keep in mind there are other differences (good or bad as one views them) other than engine size between the 650 and 1000. The 1000 is not available with ABS, which I don't want anyway since it can't be turned off when off-road. I saw at least one spetacular (not hurt...just windshield broken) crash coming down a slick muddy road. The 650 ABS rider (who is probably gonna read this.....howdy **** :mrgreen who could not slow down for the life of him. Also the 1000 has a different (solid) swing arm and a hydro clutch system. I might be wrong but I think the 1000 also has heavier and adjustable forks compared to the 650.

Now please don't get me wrong, I have yet to hear but one person ever say anything bad about the Wee and this was with regard to the issue of power. Many more 650's are sold compared to the 1000 and everyone loves them. They are a great bike without doubt.

IMHO you can't go wrong with either of them.........Mark

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Hi Guys,

The little time I have spent at the Vee section of the forum shows a long list of frightening problems, most notably "clutch chudder" (no idea what this is) and fuelling problems that require a power commander. The bike I rode seemed to run pretty good, though I guess it was a bit rougher than the inline fours I am used to but I expected that from a twin. I dont want a bike that I am having to constantly tinker with to get it running right, but as I said I was pretty happy with the way the bike I rode was running.

Does the fact that it is a relatively late model (2008 ) mean that many problems have been ironed out, or do I have nasty surprises ahead if I buy this bike? Are there any issues I should check out next time I have a look? Why do Vees get such a bad rap?
There are two things that are annoying traits of the Vee. The fueling issues and the clutch chudder. If you leave the bike stock and do a very carefull tuneup the fueling issues are not bad at all. Sometimes hardly noticeable. The problems start when the owner puts aftermarket pipes ( or drills stock pipes ), changes air filters, etc. There is a loaner program using the "Yosh Box" that will improve the fueling issues at basically no cost. While there are some owners that say clutch chudder effects only a few Vees, my experience is that most owners feel significant improvement with a new or properly modified clutch basket. Neither of the issues above will leave you stranded.

Any other issues are probably the same things you would expect from any other bike in the same size/class.

The Vee does have a noticeably better front suspension than the Wee. The Wee is lighter yet has "big bike" ergonomics. The Wee gets a LOT better fuel mileage ( and rear tire mileage ). I have both and each brings a different smile!

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I am still not completely happy with my Vee. Here is my short list of complaints.

- Stock seat sucked after a few hours riding. Too soft. Kills my tail bone. I weigh 180lbs or so.
- Switched to a Corbin seat. Much better riding comfort, no more tailbone problems, but the Corbon lowered the seat an inch, so now my legs are complaining from the extra bend. Also the front of the Corbin is wider, so it is more difficult to put my legs down. I have 32" inseam. I think the Corbin would be perfect for someone with 34" inseam. To fix the bent leg issues, i added a peg lowering kit. This got my inch back and it helps, but now i'm worried i may drag my pegs on corners when i have the bike fully loaded for a trip. My bike was already lowered (dogbones) when i bought it.
- Corbin seat is very stiff, which helps with sitting comfort, but it causes a lot more vibration to be felt as well.
- Exhaust pipes are up near your butt when your riding. This adds a lot more noise to the commute. I also don't like the sound of them. It sounds good when up in the 4k+ rev area, but not so nice when in a parkade or wherever.
- Clutch hand can get tired in stop and go traffic after a while. Fairly stiff.

So far, after a year of owning this bike, i am still trying to get it to fit me right.

It's a fun bike to ride for sure. Lots of power. Handles well. Good sitting position. Very little maintenance. A bit of oil once every few months. Chain maintenance. Not a lot else.

Think i may switch my Corbin out for a Rick Meyer seat. Trying to decide.

Edit: I should mention, i rode my friends Wee and it was nearly as fast as my Vee. Lighter too. Fun to ride. Not sure how his will handle all the gear on a trip though. He may bog down from that. Will know in July.
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Get the Vee. I rode both the Vee and the Wee before going small. I made the right decision for myself but you sound like a Vee guy all the way.

"...any Regrets?"

That cracks me up :mrgreen:. Buying either V-Strom is about as safe a decision as a person can make buying a bike.

Get the Vee. You'll love it.

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