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post #1 of 19 Old 01-30-2012, 07:40 PM Thread Starter
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2-up on a Wee, or only a Vee?

I'm considering getting an adventure bike for the first time to do longer 2-up touring with my wife. Should I even consider a 650, or is a 1000 necessary for 2-up touring? 90% paved roads, though not highways unless I can't avoid them. My wife and I in gear are probably ~420 pounds and ideally there's another ~40-50 pounds of camping gear I'd like to pack on. The 650 appeals to me because they are more readily available and cheap, but I don't want something that's going to keep me constantly shifting on the twisties.

Aside from the 650 vs 1000 debate I'm also considering a BMW GS, probably an older 1100 when they were still carb'd. Obviously y'all are biased, but anyone here have some viewpoints on the VStrom vs a BMW GS?

BTW, I've previously been a cruiser guy (currently a Road Star that doesn't handle for s&*$ in the corners) but I would like to be able to take "the road less traveled". I have also found the cruiser seating position to make my tail bone hurt after only 100 miles or so unless I've got a backrest. I've never tried an adventure bike but I imagine the upright seating and lack of a seat back would possibly suit me a lot better.
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People mistakenly focus on the displacement as the determining factor for 2-up riding. It's not. The wee is powerful enough to ride 2-up all day long. It's the suspension that will limit you. My experience has been it's perfectly adequate for 2-up touring up to a certain weight, and you and your wife are over it. My opinion. My pillion and I were combined about 300 lbs and that was fine. Much more than that and it will wallow in the corners. Fairly easily fixed by a few hundred dollars of suspension upgrades. The Vee suffers from the same problem, so don't think that throwing a few horsepower at the problem will make it a better 2-up ride.

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It's funny you should say that at ~420 pounds we'd be over-taxing the Wee or the Vee. The published specs I can find have the stock capacity limits at about 460 pounds for the Wee and just over 500 pounds for the Vee. Even with panniers and gear I could probably keep it to roughly 460 for a Wee, and easily under 500 for a Vee. What sort of suspension mods are necessary?

I know that hp isn't everything, but it is something to be considered hauling a good bit of weight/gear. How well does the Wee do at it's alleged 460 pound limit?
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I don't want something that's going to keep me constantly shifting on the twisties.
Perhaps you've gotten too accustomed to the cruiser.

I've done a few two-up trips with gear in the mountains with my DL650.
You'll be able to maintain the speed limit at least, but you'll have to drop a gear or two to get around anybody. I would have preferred a little more power for those occasions, but they weren't frequent enough to make me want to go to the 1000.

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.. The 650 appeals to me because they are more readily available and cheap, but I don't want something that's going to keep me constantly shifting on the twisties.

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Shifting is a big part of the fun of the DL650 and I wouldn't let that be a remote concern.

I'm just finishing a 7 day ride (in California and Arizona) wi my gf. We have been riding an ST1300. It has way more power than my dl650, wheelies on demand but I still shift it through twisting. Being in the correct gear gives you much better control and reducs braking.

The ST is a great bike, but I will keep riding my DL650 whether two up or solo.

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It's funny you should say that at ~420 pounds we'd be over-taxing the Wee or the Vee. The published specs I can find have the stock capacity limits at about 460 pounds for the Wee and just over 500 pounds for the Vee. Even with panniers and gear I could probably keep it to roughly 460 for a Wee, and easily under 500 for a Vee. What sort of suspension mods are necessary?

I know that hp isn't everything, but it is something to be considered hauling a good bit of weight/gear. How well does the Wee do at it's alleged 460 pound limit?
At 220# nekkid, the Wee had obviously weak legs. Beefed up springs fore and aft and (some say) a fork brace help greatly. this is not a uniquely Wee/Vee deficiency. Many on the more high-dollar fora (e.g., BMW) do the same upgrades.

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I'd have to say that the 2012 Wee is quite a bit better 2-up than the earlier model.

The old model was no real problem, but on the new model the pillion was pretty much unnoticeable after a couple of minutes. 2x100kg riders, empty top-box.

As far as the other option goes:

The old Wee was pretty much on a par with the BMW 1150 WRT performance 1-up, and a bit behind the 1200GS. (Less far behind than I expected).

The 1150 had more power on paper, but also more weight in reality and some of those paper ponies I think never left the BMW factory .

I suspect the BMW may have been a bit better 2-up, but I doubt it'd be massively better than the 2012 model DL 650.

The Vee was 'better' 2-up than the 2010 1200GS - quite a bit more power in practice.

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My wife and I in gear are probably ~420 pounds and ideally there's another ~40-50 pounds of camping gear I'd like to pack on.
With Vee or Wee (most bikes IMO) you get a starter kit. As mentioned earlier suspension upgrades are probably called for riding double, (I'm a forkbrace guy). Will you always be wondering about more power with the Wee? :beatnik:

You can go expensive with fork emulators and rebuilt/ new rear shock or you can go cheaper (that's me). Put Sonic springs on the front and a heavier rear spring. Throw in a few extra bucks for a fork brace and braced handlebars and you have a whole new ride. Not state of the art but I am a happy camper spending most of my time in the twisties.

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Although my wife normally rides her own BMW F650GS single, we have done 2 up rides on the Wee-strom just fine. We've even done 2 up rides on her single even running 80mph+ on that single rotax motor which is impressive 2up. Other than being extremely cramped for me (6'4" on her "low seat" on the BMW), that single surprises me all the time. The Wee is much more roomy for 2up riding and the motor does just fine.

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I'm considering getting an adventure bike for the first time to do longer 2-up touring with my wife. Should I even consider a 650, or is a 1000 necessary for 2-up touring? 90% paved roads, though not highways unless I can't avoid them. My wife and I in gear are probably ~420 pounds and ideally there's another ~40-50 pounds of camping gear I'd like to pack on. The 650 appeals to me because they are more readily available and cheap, but I don't want something that's going to keep me constantly shifting on the twisties.

Aside from the 650 vs 1000 debate I'm also considering a BMW GS, probably an older 1100 when they were still carb'd. Obviously y'all are biased, but anyone here have some viewpoints on the VStrom vs a BMW GS?

BTW, I've previously been a cruiser guy (currently a Road Star that doesn't handle for s&*$ in the corners) but I would like to be able to take "the road less traveled". I have also found the cruiser seating position to make my tail bone hurt after only 100 miles or so unless I've got a backrest. I've never tried an adventure bike but I imagine the upright seating and lack of a seat back would possibly suit me a lot better.
completed 3rd trip two up this summer (Bozeman Mt to Ketchikan Ak) on wee, adequate power with wide power band, as noted previous- suspension/weight limits are are consideration. I've got Race Tech emulators up front on my "07, previous post mentioned rear spring upgrade as less expensive fix for rear suspension ( versus about a grand for serious shock upgrade), hadn't considered that, interesting!
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