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post #1 of 40 Old 08-31-2010, 03:09 PM Thread Starter
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Wee and Half-Helmets?

I used to own a Katana. The aerodynamics were weird.

It was a great bike with a full-face helmet, but with a half-helmet I just about got a concussion at highway speeds. Something about the aerodynamics.

Has anyone used a Wee with a half-helmet in the 60-80 MPH range?

Thanks, Dave

P.S.--I normally have a full-face when I hit the superslab, but once in a while I got out for my morning coffee (in town), then decide to go elsewhere on a whim.
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Locations of head impacts during a study of motorcycle helmets by the university hospital of Hanover.



Would your looks be improved by sliding face-first along pavement "in the 60-80 MPH range?" My wife says it'd be 50-50 in my case, but she doesn't want to be the one feeding me for the rest of my life if I don't have a face. If you get profoundly disabled and stuck in a nursing home due to an impact on the lower back of your head, I don't want to pay taxes to fund your Medicaid costs...just selfish of me, I guess.

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Locations of head impacts during a study of motorcycle helmets by the university hospital of Hanover.



Would your looks be improved by sliding face-first along pavement "in the 60-80 MPH range?" My wife says it'd be 50-50 in my case, but she doesn't want to be the one feeding me for the rest of my life if I don't have a face. If you get profoundly disabled and stuck in a nursing home due to an impact on the lower back of your head, I don't want to pay taxes to fund your Medicaid costs...just selfish of me, I guess.
I think this is from the Hurt Study published in 1981. The study looked at ~4500 accidents from the L.A region.

Summary: The Hurt Study Summary - webBikeWorld

Considering bikes and cars are a lot more sophisticated in the last 29 years, I wonder how many of the studies findings have changed.

There is also a lot more training these days where as before you could drop $20 and upgrade your license classification without a road test.

I believe in full ATGATT and full face helms, just wondering what has changed. Three decades is a long time...

I fully agree with you regarding half helms, misplaced faces on pavement and covering the hospital fees
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Wee and Half-Helmets?

Thanks, Mom!

Seriously ... just a few points ...

You are right. I should be wearing a full-face all the time. I think the stats are that in a wreck, the probability is about 40% that the chin and lower face area will be involved, and I don't know the stats for the lower area in the back of the head. The point you are making is very valid.

However, the benefits of helmets may be overstated.

Experienced riders don't get in that many accidents. I've been riding for about 4 years, and I've been in three incidents, all in the first year of riding, that put me in contact with the ground. A helmet did not help in any of them. You usually need to going at a fair rate of speed or else get thrown from the bike to hit your head. A medium-speed low-side accident won't normally do it. Not that many accidents fit the profile where the head contacts a hard surface.

Many accidents are so catastrophic that the helmet won't save your life; or worse yet, might allow you to be vegetable when you should have died.

I don't argue that helmets are useful ... just that there may not be very good stats on HOW useful.

However, I'm aware of two people in my sphere of acquaintances who had their life saved by a full-face. One popped at tire at 70 MPH and slid face-down on the concrete and off the road. He had no injuries to his face except a small cut where the gravel had bounced through the opening (maybe the visor got ground down or he had a full-face plus sunglasses). Anyway, he would have had no face left and probably also been brain-dead without the helmet. As things turned out, he woke up later in a hospital and made a full recovery, although it took a while.

So, if I hit the superslab after my morning coffee ... the full-face would be a good idea, but the world won't normally stop turning if I break that rule from time to time.

I still am curious about the aerodynamics of the Wee with a half-helmet ...

Thanks, Dave A.
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I still am curious about the aerodynamics of the Wee with a half-helmet ...

Thanks, Dave A.
To answer your question. I think you will find a half helmet very loud due to wind noise, and the dreaded buffeting will be more noticeable too. Even some full face are loud. For sound comparison check here Motorcycle Helmet Noise - webBikeWorld

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I wear a 3/4 on my commute. Rain hurts, but no real problems with a Givi and madstad.

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I wear a 3/4 with built on shield in the summer and a FF in the winter. I hate the FF except to keep the cold out.
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I wear a Jimmy Retro (3/4ish, but a minimal 3/4) to commute on hot days. Last weekend I decided it was hot enough to wear it on a 250 mile ride with quite a bit of state highway. Over 70mph true, the helmet was an annoying passenger being held on by the chinstrap. I longed for my full face the entire trip. It is solely a commuter now. I think the aeros on the Strom may be similar to your Katana exerience. I even took off the little "ball cap" visor...just made it worse.

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Yup, 3/4 helmet for my commute too. Half-helmets are gay... I didn't wear one even when I rode my HD. Maybe I'm too practical?? Stick with a 3/4 for the runs down the block and in town.

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Experienced riders don't get in that many accidents. I've been riding for about 4 years, and I've been in three incidents, all in the first year of riding, that put me in contact with the ground. A helmet did not help in any of them. You usually need to going at a fair rate of speed or else get thrown from the bike to hit your head. A medium-speed low-side accident won't normally do it. Not that many accidents fit the profile where the head contacts a hard surface.



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3 Accidents in 4 years? Glad your OK, but maybe you should subscribe to ATGATT. I never expect an accident I might be in to be minor. It is your choice of course, but it doesn't take much of a bump to break your jaw, or worse, break your brain.
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