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post #1 of 40 Old 11-20-2009, 03:54 PM Thread Starter
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ABS question

I have 2 bikes now and neither has ABS. I always thought my next bike would have ABS after hearing about people sliding because of "improperly" applying the brakes
I'm planning a trip with my brother to Alaska (he has a BMW Rockster, but going to sell it and buy his dream bike the BMW GSA) He tells me if I get a bike with ABS, I "must" be able to switch it off if we are going to go on gravel packed roads and off road. (the wee doesn't allow that I guess) He tells me you can run into a situation where it's difficult to stop the bike, mud on the road he tells me
I see a lots of stories about trips to Alaska on the wee and V.
I guess the question is how do you guys feel about not being able to switch off the ABS on the wee? and how difficult is using the wee off road? could there be a situation where you can't stop the bike?
Should I even care and just buy the 1000 without ABS?
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post #2 of 40 Old 11-20-2009, 04:27 PM
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Just install a switch. http://www.vstrom.info/Smf/index.php/topic,8792.0.html

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What do you need ABS for?

In over 40 years of riding, I've never had an 'oopsie' that ABS would have prevented. I doubt that I'm such a superman that I ALWAYS do the right thing; my suspicion is that ABS is overrated.

That said, if it makes you feel better, buy an ABS bike. It's just one more subsystem to fail one of these days; and once it does you won't have to bother with turning it on and off.
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ABS is an outstanding aid to street riding for me and a failure has never been reported here. A failure would just change to ABS system to a normal system if it happened.

Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. I didn't quite make it to 17,000 miles on the 2012 DL650A.
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From what I've read around here I've made up my mind that my bike is going to have ABS. Please keep in mind any of this pertaining directly to motorcycles is read knowledge and not personal experience. I only really have experience with cars, wrenching cars, and a little bit of dirt biking.

There is one important thing to remember about ABS. It DOES NOT help you stop faster. It's lone purpose is to help you maintain control of the vehicle by preventing the tires from locking. If the ABS detects a tire locking it will release the brake pressure by a tiny amount until the tire rotates again and then reset itself, rinse and repeat til you stop or let off the brakes. This works great on dry surfaces, it allows you to maintain control of the car while still braking with maximum effectiveness where you might not otherwise do to inexperience or panic. This is a great feature for many drivers and conditions since most people will instinctively slam on the brakes during a crash. The problem arises when you run into a deformable and\or slick surface such as ice, gravel, snow, mud, ect. In these cases you can stop far faster by locking the tires and letting them dig into the material and form a pile of it in front of the tires. ABS will try and keep the tires spinning and stop the car with greatly reduced effectiveness. My car does not have ABS and I've driven plenty of other cars that have had it and I can tell you without a second thought I'd rather be driving my car in the salty slush they call snow up here. I've also practiced with it enough that I know how hard to brake in most conditions while maintaining control of the car.

This all holds with bikes. You can generally stop faster on pavement without ABS if you know what you're doing and can always stop faster without it in mud, dirt, ect. The trick is knowing how much brake pressure to apply. Every car I've owned so far has been without ABS and I've learned to brake correctly without it. This takes a while to learn and I've locked my car up and sent it spinning more than once. It takes even longer to override your instinct to slam on the brakes as hard as you can. The problem on a bike is if you lock the front tire on pavement you may end up in the emergency room and your wallet definitely is compared just ending up in the ditch. In gravel or mud this is still a problem but you are usually going much much slower and the lack of friction gives you time to react if your tire locks. It is actually beneficial to lock the rear tire once you're going slow enough and let it drag you to a stop, releasing it if the rear end kicks out too far.

In short learning to brake with maximum effectiveness on pavement takes time and you will likely go down once or twice. On pavement ABS allows you to do this right out of the gate with no experience and doesn't care if you panic and slam on the brakes as hard as you can. On gravel, dirt, snow, ect, it is detrimental and dangerous to trying to stop quickly and you must stop by properly using the brakes and bike. It's also less dangerous to lock a tire in gravel because you're usually going slower and there is more time to react before you end up horizontal.

My Strom, when I get it, will have ABS and the first thing I'll do is add a switch to turn it off when needed. When I finally end up with a car that has ABS it'll either end up disabled or have a switch to turn it off. My opinion is I wouldn't ride a street bike without it in large part due to my lack of experience and high probability I'd slam on the brakes as hard as I could in a crash.

Hope this helps,

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I have ABS. I like it, although most days you don't even know it's there. It comes in most handy when you least expect it.

It needs a switch. I shut my key off when necessary, but it needs a switch. The switch should be as accessible as your kill switch.

I unintentionally scared the hell out of a pedestrian because of it; I hit a pothole while decelerating for a red light. The ABS kicked in for a brief moment. Because of that, I rolled up on the crosswalk a LOT faster than I had planned! I stopped in time, but really gave the guy pause.

As I've told you many times before, the journey is the destination. So to answer your question: Yes, we are there.
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post #7 of 40 Old 11-22-2009, 12:23 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys. My brother has pointed out a few youtube videos where guys doing off road and going down steep hills, forget to switch the abs off and all of a sudden they are going down hill and can't stop the bike. Like Ronin149 said, imagine instead of going on a flat surface he was going downhill and hit that pothole, the abs kicks in and the bike keeps rolling downhill.
All this might be a mute point because I'm liking the DL1000 more and more ;-)
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Moot point dammit, not mute. Pet peeve.

Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. I didn't quite make it to 17,000 miles on the 2012 DL650A.
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post #9 of 40 Old 11-22-2009, 05:30 PM
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My opinion is I wouldn't ride a street bike without it in large part due to my lack of experience and high probability I'd slam on the brakes as hard as I could in a crash.
Locking the brakes often causes the crash.

-Tom (DL650AL2) (KA1TOX) (E-I-E-I-O)

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post #10 of 40 Old 11-23-2009, 09:52 AM Thread Starter
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Moot point dammit, not mute. Pet peeve.
mute, moot

Maybe the idea was to "mute" the ABS question:mrgreen:
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