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post #11 of 59 Old 03-20-2019, 12:34 PM
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Just get the 1000, buyers remorse isn't worth it. Yup there are endless threads with this debate, tons of reviews, and plenty of vids out there.......good luck.

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Just get the 1000, buyers remorse isn't worth it. Yup there are endless threads with this debate, tons of reviews, and plenty of vids out there.......good luck.
That is what i actually kinda knew already but also feared a bit. I need to spend more money in order to not feel this remorse.
The 2014 model seems to be fine, the 2017 XT got my heart tho, not only because of the slightly different (but imho alot better looking) beak but also because of the spoked wheels (esp. the golden ones on the yellow bike). The differences between 2014 and 2017 are not that big. As I've read it.

- New Motion Track Brake System; Absolutely nice to have. Really worth a thought.
- Newly shaped windscreen featuring height and angle adjustment; I'm not very tall and this is fixable with aftermarket parts anyway.
- New “Beak” design inspired by DR-BIG; just for the looks.
- Hand guards and engine under cowling protection now standard fitment; both are not very effective for harder offroading. Nice to have anyways.
- New Suzuki Easy Start System; Have it on the sv650x, I can live without it.
- New Low RPM Assist; Saved my bike from tiping over when i almost killed the engine in low revs in a very tight turn. Other then that, I can live without it. It's really cool tho.

That's it. Needs some thinking but I think the 2014 might be fine.
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Just get the 1000, buyers remorse isn't worth it. Yup there are endless threads with this debate, tons of reviews, and plenty of vids out there.......good luck.
Best advice ever right there.
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SKYY, That beak was mentioned when the '14 1000 came out, not particularly new. The '14+ has the height and angle adjustable screen. The original screen was pretty turbulent, the Adventure model screen(found it new in a box on E-Bay for $50) was better, still not quite there, but looked great. As I posted above, the '18 screen fits,, sits 1" further to the front, is 2" taller and has a cutout on the top edge, is otherwise shaped similar to the '14-'17, and is quiet enough for me. The Adventure model came with the handguards and lower cowl(along with rear luggage cases). Mine mistakenly came with the side cases, and I added the Suzuki oem handguards and lower cowl.
If you get a '14-'15 DL1000, make sure the updated ECU recall (No.2A74-US model, No. 2A75-California model) has been done, along with the wire harness campaigns No.2A53, 2A54, and 2A55. The ECU recall was to prevent engine stalling when decelerating to a stop.
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SKYY, That beak was mentioned when the '14 1000 came out, not particularly new. The '14+ has the height and angle adjustable screen. The original screen was pretty turbulent, the Adventure model screen(found it new in a box on E-Bay for $50) was better, still not quite there, but looked great.
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I never understood the need to get a different windshield on the 2014 to 2016 DL1000. Stock it wasn't bad and a Madstad Bracket means I can ride shield-up or the whole front of my modular up at any speed with no buffeting. I also use the same Mirror extenders I put on my 2006 DL650 back in 2006 and Mirrors that are close clones of Napoleon long stem mirrors I also used on that bike. I know everyone is different but it amazes me the effort (and $$$) that some put in and I don't see the issue

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I have a '17 650 and rarely ride 2 up. Last time I did with combined weight was over 400 and it wasn't pleasant. I felt like the clutch was getting too much of a workout when starting out. Once moving out of first, it was fine.

Used to ride a 2004 Concours and it had no issues from a clutch perspective for that weight. I don't have any experience, but i would imagine that the 1000 has a stronger clutch just due to more power and slightly more weight.

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V-Tom, between various bikes Ive noticed that the variety in rider height, mirrors, and helmet all factor into noise.
I noticed my Nolan N104 was painfully loud on the left side while I was riding my ZRX1100. Then, when I got the DL1000, the same helmet was considerably quieter. The issue wasnt the helmet as I previously thought-it was the helmet/bike combination.
With the Vstrom, the oem screen was still louder than I liked. 6 months later I bought the Adventure screen, and it was an improvement. Then I saw the '18 DL1000 at the Chicago Motorcycle Show, noticed the changes in the windscreen over the oem screens, and asked the Suzuki service rep about it. He told me they took enough complaints about the wind noise to issue a new-design screen. As soon as the part# was available, I had the '18 screen on my bike a few days later. Even better! After 5 years of use, I replaced the Nolan N104 with the new N100-5 helmet. Even quieter! Now I'm happy.
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To the OP, the 2014+ 1000 sounds like what you need and what you've described. What gets lost in all of this is that the 1000 is only 40 pounds (19 Kilos) heavier than the 650. If, to use your words, you go to the dirt some day, will you regret that weight. In my opinion, you aren't going to be "throwing around" the 650 in the dirt. In my opinion, once you get to the weight level of a DL650 the extra weight of the DL1000 isn't going to make a difference. With either one, you will not be doing "true dirt bike" or "true dual sport" type maneuvers. I have the 650 XT and love it. I think you will be better off with the 1000. Good luck.

I'm going against the conventional wisdom but the 1000 is better in the dirt than the 650, my opinion of course.

Basing that on the Gen 2 650 (2012) I used to have and the Gen 2 1000 (2104) I have now. The weight is a wash they are both heavy pigs off road. The suspension though, the 1000 is much more composed off-road.

The 1000 soaks up washboard/small irregularities where the 650 is more lively but not in a good sense. The 650 is underdamped and springy feeling. I did have a emulator type cartridge in the forks of my 650 but it doesn't compare to a full up cartridge fork like the 1000.

Brakes too, the 1000 you can keep a finger or two on the lever and have a good progressive feel, the 650's front is numb in comparison. I had to be more conservative with the 650 as I couldn't get a feel for the edge of lock-up with it, if that makes sense!

Really the only negative I have with the transition from the 650 to the 1000 is gas mileage. 10 mpg less regardless on the 1000. Other than that though it's the superior bike.
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I just came back from a short ride with my girl. My sv650x pulls us like a big one. This and the fact that I can buy a brandnew 650XT for the price of a used 1000 from 2014 makes me think again.
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Skyy,naturally as a 1000 owner I'm somewhat biased, but I'm not trying to sway you either way--it's YOUR decision. But before you jump...RIDE a DL650 with your gal on the back and see if you like it.
I have my friend's '99 SV650 in the garage waiting for my son to start riding. He bought the SV650 new, and Ive kept it new this whole time. He sold the SV to buy his '14 DL650, and they are totally different animals. The DL isnt slow, but the SV is quicker and faster by comparison. The DL is more stable and comfortable for long distance.--the previous 2 sentences are HIS words. Forget the looks--if you can--and ride both the 1000 and the 650 and make a determinaton on your requirements and how each bike meets them.
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