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post #1 of 6 Old 09-25-2008, 09:56 PM Thread Starter
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new or used wee strom

First I want to thank you all for your input. I have been reading for awhile and you have helped me choose a wee strom.

Seems like the used DL650's are sold for as much or more than they sold for. (very high relsale value)

Any significant changes between the 2005 and 2008 DL650
that would influence my choi
ce other that I get a warranty.
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post #2 of 6 Old 09-26-2008, 12:36 AM
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Dave...I'm certainly not the most qualified here to answer your questions, but I was in the same boat as you and just recently bought a used (2100 miles) 2008 Wee for a very reasonable price. I have been looking for close to a year, and many opportunities came and went for various reasons, but I'm very pleased with the outcome of being patient. I think buying used is the way to go...they are solid bikes to begin with, and a good inspection will reveal how well the previous owner maintained it. Dead giveaways; a filthy or dry chain and/or discolored oil...don't bother looking further. There are many low-mileage bikes for sale out there, and plenty more to come as the 'season' winds down.

If you were to use this forum's 'for sale' section as a guide, I believe there is a big difference between what people are asking and what people are paying. Depreciation is not in the vocabulary of the typical seller. But the reality is that once the bike leaves the lot, it HAS depreciated, and all the add-ons too. I was lucky enough to find a person that accurately priced the bike and I was the first one to jump on the deal. So be patient, be willing to negotiate and perform a good inspection.

Buying new from a dealer can be a PITA...what seems like a good price in the ad can quickly devolve into a bad deal...when they start tacking on freight and set-up. Suzuki pays the dealer for set up, and the typical $400+ charge is simply gouging. Same with 'paperwork' fees.

As far as diffs between '05 and '08...I'm sure someone will chime in with a list, but the only significant ones that come to mind are: 1) anything prior to '07 has 1 plug per cylinder (2 plugs and more PCM programming added later for emissions), 2) '07 and later have slightly longer swingarms, and 3) beginning in '08, the alternator output was increased to 400w (from 375), so that could help with aux lighting or heated gear.

Lastly, it seems these bikes are built pretty solid and anything other than the standard warranty just doesn't seem, well, warranted, IMHO.

Again, I'm sure there are others who will chime in...I'm a noob here, but I've been studying V-stroms for a while and now finally have come into the fold.

Best of luck with whatever decision you come up with!

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post #3 of 6 Old 09-27-2008, 07:24 AM
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Unless you want the hard to find ABS, there is little reason to buy new. I do think ABS is worthwhile and I'm glad my wife has it on her bike, but not everyone cares. The DL650 is a great bike and will last for a very long time. Buying used will get you a lower price and will often get you some great accessories. Many people feel they should not pay one dime extra for installed accessories. I definitely disagree with that line of thinking. If I can get a great bike and many of the accessories I would need to purchase and install myself I'm happy pay a little more than just the stock used bike.

I've purchased both new and used Stroms. Personally, I prefer low mileage used bikes. They last forever and you save some money.


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I hope you aren't trying to confuse depreciation=wear and tear and supply and demand=what the market will bear.

Material worth is only dependent upon the buyer. Is it worth the price paid or not? Each person must decide this otherwise they are only looking for public opinion. Please correct me if I am wrong but I think the OP is asking for major differences between the older models and new and why the older ones sell at near new retail. My opinion is because they are hard to find. BTW, I have a loaded 2007 DL650 that I will sell for the MSRP of a new 2009 if anyone's interested. They are very rare in this area so you would be one of just a few elite Strommers.

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Dave...I'm certainly not the most qualified here to answer your questions, but I was in the same boat as you and just recently bought a used (2100 miles) 2008 Wee for a very reasonable price. I have been looking for close to a year, and many opportunities came and went for various reasons, but I'm very pleased with the outcome of being patient. I think buying used is the way to go...they are solid bikes to begin with, and a good inspection will reveal how well the previous owner maintained it. Dead giveaways; a filthy or dry chain and/or discolored oil...don't bother looking further. There are many low-mileage bikes for sale out there, and plenty more to come as the 'season' winds down.

If you were to use this forum's 'for sale' section as a guide, I believe there is a big difference between what people are asking and what people are paying. Depreciation is not in the vocabulary of the typical seller. But the reality is that once the bike leaves the lot, it HAS depreciated, and all the add-ons too. I was lucky enough to find a person that accurately priced the bike and I was the first one to jump on the deal. So be patient, be willing to negotiate and perform a good inspection.

Buying new from a dealer can be a PITA...what seems like a good price in the ad can quickly devolve into a bad deal...when they start tacking on freight and set-up. Suzuki pays the dealer for set up, and the typical $400+ charge is simply gouging. Same with 'paperwork' fees.

As far as diffs between '05 and '08...I'm sure someone will chime in with a list, but the only significant ones that come to mind are: 1) anything prior to '07 has 1 plug per cylinder (2 plugs and more PCM programming added later for emissions), 2) '07 and later have slightly longer swingarms, and 3) beginning in '08, the alternator output was increased to 400w (from 375), so that could help with aux lighting or heated gear.

Lastly, it seems these bikes are built pretty solid and anything other than the standard warranty just doesn't seem, well, warranted, IMHO.

Again, I'm sure there are others who will chime in...I'm a noob here, but I've been studying V-stroms for a while and now finally have come into the fold.

Best of luck with whatever decision you come up with!

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Mad Sparrow...I answered the OP's concerns re diffs of 05 vs 08, and why they seem to hold value ("solid bikes to begin with"). While I agree that price is what the market will bear, I also believe that many sellers have an inflated value of their wares. Sure, I could buy your used 07 at the 09 list price of 6999, but why the hell would I? I don't know you from Eve, have no idea how you take care of your assets, and would have zero desire to click on your 'for sale' ad if you posted an 07 for nearly $7k, no matter what you added to it.

Deals do come up, and patience will bring the right one to your door. That has been my experience. Yours seems to be different and maybe you're justifying spending MSRP-plus set-up, paperwork, crate disposal, etc. But the reality is that buyers of used bikes have no interest in what you paid, only what it is worth to them...unless they must "have it NOW". I think most "elite" Strommers are not so impulsive and have done their research prior to purchase.

We both have great bikes and can be proud of our choices. I'd like Dave W to join the fold and was just trying to help him out. I don't really get the point of your post and don't really care, but I'm not interested in pursuing it further than this. Happy trails to you, regardless!

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650 06 and later changes

I am also looking new and used and did not even realize that early years only have one plug per cylinder vs newer, per above. Anyone seen any information on whether that changed the performance of the engine? It would seem that dual plugs might add more power - I guess unless emission mods balance out any benefit from an additional plug. I have ridden two 2005 and a 2007 and did not notice much difference but I have to admit that the ride contions were different and not very long to tell much. I have not been able to test ride at a dealer to this point.
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