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post #1 of 22 Old 09-01-2008, 12:58 AM Thread Starter
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1000 issues?

Went to dealer today and viewed and sat on both 650 and 1000 and am more seriously considering 1000 since I 2-up 85% and 650 seat will just make do for my inseam.

In my web post research so far it appears that 650 did not have many issues but some 1000 had problems with clutch basket and rough fuel delivery problems.

Should I be concerned about the clutch basket problem or poor fuel delivery for 1000 or are these things that Suzuki has sorted out with the newer models? If so what years are potentially problematic? I see discussion about the PCIII fixing fuel delivery and tweaking even good running factory setups. Is that needed for the 1000 in any event and what sort of investement is involved (have not had time to learn about them but do all my own wrenching so should not be difficult for me).

BTW - sales guy did not seem to know a lot technically: I noted to him that 650 seat would allow me to consider the 1000 as it was lower and he was not even aware of that (seems that would be a good sales tidbit).
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I would get the newest you can afford. Pre 04 had clutch issues and a non adjustable shield. 05's had ECM issues. Now after saying that, none of the issues are worth missing a good deal over.
The 06's and 07's, seem to be set up well, they just need some adjustments done as the factory/dealer doesn't seem to do them. TBS, Secondaty throttle plates, and TPS. These are simple to do with the info on this site. Total time to do all would be 1 to 2 hours for a NEW VEE owner. The hardest part would be pulling off the plastic.

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There are a lot of people on this forum that will tell you that a PCIII is a "must" for the 1000. I'm not going to argue with them but I will say that I've put 11,000 miles on my '08 DL1000 since I bought it in April without a powercommander and have no plans to buy one. The only issue I've had with my bike so far is a mirror that wouldn't stay adjusted. I synced the TB's at ~3000 miles and did see an improvement in low rpm performance. I do my own work, so the total cost was ~15 minutes of my time.
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I will state unequivocably that the Clutch basket problem is pre 2004. and that the dealer can @ any time yosh your 1000 to adjust any Lean fuel issues . I have over 30,500 miles on my 05 and I would not trade it for any bike on the market...

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I have a 02 with 15000 on it. The clutch basket was replaced with newer model and I run the TRD. My Vstrome is just as smoth as my buddy,s bike and he got the power commnder.[/B]
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There are a lot of people on this forum that will tell you that a PCIII is a "must" for the 1000. I'm not going to argue with them ..............
Agreed. All I've ever done keep to my early 06 running smooth is maintain the TB synch. Will it ever purr like a Bandit? I doubt it, but as a reasonably large bore V-twin I don't expect it too. I'd sell the bike before I resorted to a PCIII.

A question that has always intrigued me is how many 1 K'ers actually do use PC's. What % of all 1000 owners actually post here? And of those that do, what % have gone the PC route? And of those that have, what % was because they absolutely have had to? I ride with 5 other litrebike owners here, and none of them have ever indicated the need for a PCIII. Not looking for a debate, just food for thought.

There are probably some guys that absolutely did need them, perhaps due to having a defective ECU, or the climate where they live. There is also probably a group that went that route trying to improve what they had and make some more oomph. And I imagine that there is another group that bought them because they got the impression from this forum that it was a must do (a la axle spacers). There is likely another segment that came off another type of bike and like to run their bikes in the 2500 rpm range most of the time, and wonder why their bikes protest a bit on occasion.

Before BigB and others jump on me, I know the 1K is lean from the factory. But I am willing to bet that in most cases it is manageable if a person takes care of the basics first.

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WeThereYet....Your points were very well taken....the 2004/2005 models seem to have the worst fueling. "Sporadic" problems with the 06 models but the 07/08 models appear to be dialed in pretty good. I didn't need a PCIII until I got exhausts, but I did need the Yoshimura box mapping. I did all the necessary adjustments before I remapped, and the lean surge hiccup was still present. I'm sure my ECM is an affected unit that could get swapped, but I am running great with the PCIII. Really ridiculous that Harley can get their FI systems running practically flawless, and Suzuki seems to not give a crap "with the Stroms".

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Thanks WTY and BB. Sounds like the clutch basket is NP after 2004 and FI is set up better after 06. This factors in to my considering the 1000 Vs 650 as I assume now I will probably not have to play with a newer 1000 just to get it to run right. I am looking both new (my preference - still trying to get a test ride) and used with low miles.

This is a great website. I like the idea of these tweaking toys but since they are all new to me (i.e. current bike is 83 R80ST with carbs and tappets) I need to research before I consider them, but nice to have the option to dial in more performance. But will the tweaking void a warranty? Makes me wonder if a 650 could get tweaked with slightly louder than stock exhaust (I don’t like loud ones) and mapping to gain a bit more grunt to make 2-up mountain riding better.

Today I am calling on a 2008 650 with a GIPro Gear Indicator w/ATRE installed. I would not have needed a gear indicator and reading stuff at GIPro wonder if the ATRE is a good thing or not.
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Went to dealer today and viewed and sat on both 650 and 1000 and am more seriously considering 1000 since I 2-up 85% and 650 seat will just make do for my inseam.

In my web post research so far it appears that 650 did not have many issues but some 1000 had problems with clutch basket and rough fuel delivery problems.

Should I be concerned about the clutch basket problem or poor fuel delivery for 1000 or are these things that Suzuki has sorted out with the newer models? If so what years are potentially problematic? I see discussion about the PCIII fixing fuel delivery and tweaking even good running factory setups. Is that needed for the 1000 in any event and what sort of investement is involved (have not had time to learn about them but do all my own wrenching so should not be difficult for me).

BTW - sales guy did not seem to know a lot technically: I noted to him that 650 seat would allow me to consider the 1000 as it was lower and he was not even aware of that (seems that would be a good sales tidbit).
I've an '07 Vee. Almost 4,000 miles on it. No clutch basket problem but clutch is too switch like (on or off) for slow stuff. It does modulate fine for street use. Fuelling is still an issue. Mine surges at steady throttle between 3,000 to around 4,000 rpm. right at highway cruising speed in sixth gear. More conserting is mine has stalled a dozen times when decelerating. pull in the clutch for 3rd to 2nd and it just shut off. What's bad is dealer say Suzuki has no fix, plans no fix, and these behaviors are just "normal" for the bike. My dealer seems more willing to work with me than Suzuki does. Yay Malcolm Smith Motorsports. Since you ride two up, your passenger will most likely be disappointed with the vibration in the passenger pegs. Very high frequency vibation, kind of like and Eager Beaver weed eater, that will put feet to sleep. Rider pegs have virtually no vibes. My 11 year old son hates riding on the back of this thing. He's fine on all other bike I've had. I won a set of older Sportster pegs, the really soft mushy ones off the previous generation, on e-bay. Hopefully they'll hide the vibes. The Wee seat is indeed a little lower and narrower in the front. Makes it easier to reach the ground of course. It will fit the Vee. But from what I've read here neither are a good long distance seat. Lot's of little querks with this bike that you either get used to or just put up with or spend a lot of money trying to fix. As you've read wind buffeting is an issue. Some guys have tried five different shields at $150 to $250 a pop to no avail. To be honest, if this 4,000 miles could be a test ride I would have returned it 2,000 miles ago. I DO NOT like getting used to things. That's why I don't drink coffee. It should work right out of its box not finally work out of many after market boxes. There's something to said about adding farkles to personalize and suite a specific agenda. But, farkles as "fixes"? Doesn't cut it in my book.
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