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post #1 of 16 Old 08-18-2008, 07:14 PM Thread Starter
 
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DL1000 or DL650...

I haven't ridden in 20 years. My last bike was a 1985 Intercept 500. Before that I had a used Suzuki SP370 that I took me around the South Island of New Zealand. That was a fun but under powered bike. I am a bit apprehensive about riding again, which is why I have been looking at bikes for nearly two years but I haven't bought anything.

I also don't know what I truly want. But I do know that I don't want a crotch rocket, or cruiser. I want something tall, with an upright sitting position, so that I can see over vehicles and they can see me if a vehicle is between me and them. I want to do the occasional logging roads in Maine where ATVs regularly travel. Some of the roads can be rocky but most are gravel. I want to commute, which includes some highway. My wife will occasionally ride with me. I am not sure if I will do any expedition types of travel, but who knows. I do think about traveling to Alaska but will most likely do that in my land cruiser.

My first choice so far is the new F800GS that I haven't set eyes on yet since they aren't in dealers. I think it seems to be the best dual purpose bike, but do I really need that much off-road ability? Not sure. I did pose this question to a local BMW club and some suggested I check out the V-Strom bikes. That is a high form of praise if other bike riders recommend another brand.

I have two Suzuki dealers nearby. One has a black DL1000 on the floor and is close to my house. They offered $8199 but I am trying to clarify if that includes doc, prep, freight. I am not sure if that is a good price since 2009 will be out soon and there isn't many riding months left.

The other Suzuki dealer, 30+ miles away, has a yellow DL650 without ABS. I haven't approached them on price yet.

I am not sure how much either dealer has room to move on the price. I also know they have business to run and I don't mind them making a profit.

What kind of prices should I be looking at for OTD (not including tax, registration and title) for either of these bikes?

My other option is to sit tight and wait for the BMW F800GS to make its appearance,,,

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post #2 of 16 Old 08-18-2008, 08:54 PM
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$8199 seems like a good price to me...

I was pretty happy with the deal I got on an '08 DL1k that I bought in May. I paid about $8500 OTD before taxes. After taxes, I was still below MSRP.

So, if the $8199 is for an '08, then I think it is a good price. Just my 2 cents.

You can get dealer prices at http://www.cyclebuy.com. They charge a fee, but for me it was worth it.

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post #3 of 16 Old 08-18-2008, 08:58 PM
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I know a high-volume dealer here in MN was selling DL650s for approximately $5,900 + tax earlier this year. I purchased mine from him 4 years ago for $5,795 + tax. Many dealers charged more than this.
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post #4 of 16 Old 08-18-2008, 09:32 PM Thread Starter
 
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Denver6: Yep, both are 2008 models.

Tomstromie: sounds like I have a bit of wiggle room on the price. Perhaps I can work in some accessories into the price.

My advantage is that I am not in a rush to buy a motorcycle so I can walk away from offers and come back later.

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I'm backing away from the question a bit... You aren't buying a price, you are buying a motorcycle. I focused in on drilling down to what motorcycle I wanted to buy, then went out and found the right deal for me.

The F800GS is a seductive mirage... But getting one will not be easy, as the sign up sheets have been in the dealerships for 6 months and in most cases already have enough buyers in waiting for that dealerships first year of bikes.

I have an 06 DL1000. I had the BMW F650GS prior, and it was an excellent machine.

It was enough bike to give me the Alaska itch, but not enough bike to take me there *IMHO.

I knew what I wanted to do, and had an idea of what size I'd need, and like you - other BMW riders turned me on to the Strom.

Rode it and fell in love. Now farkling like no tomorrow.

The riding you envision sounds better suited for the DL650, or F650GS/F800GS.

I'd suggest one of those 3 bikes to get back into the saddle.

Like you, I hadn't ridden a street bike for 20 years, so it was a new thing.

On my BMW, I owned it for about 8 months, put 4,000 miles on it, and sold it for just a few hundred $$ less than I had invested.

I buy used, motorcycles are an item that a lot of people think they want, buy them new, and within a year are kind of tired of the thought or in need of cash, and sell them with the thing barely broken in. There is a small element of risk, but in my opinion not much.

Now is a great time to be thinking "buy", because private owners and dealers alike are prepping for winter and thinking "sell".

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Anyone who buys one of those GS800's first off the line is just looking for trouble.

Go with the Wee now and get an 800 in year three of production.

The twin wee 650 has more power and is smoother than any 650 thumper.

Oh, and less than $6kUS on any new wee without abs

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post #7 of 16 Old 08-19-2008, 09:40 AM Thread Starter
 
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Hey guys, thanks for the responses

osii: I agree that one should wait about buying new models, but the motor in the GS has been around.

It is one of those difficult delimas. What do you what to do with a motorcycle and what will you actually do with a motorcycle?

I am not set on either the DL650 or the DL1000, but I wouldn't mind a DL650 with ABS.

The only thing that is making me think of the DL1000 over the DL650 is the power (besides which one is the better deal from the dealer). Why? I have been in situations when vehicles don't see me, and move into my lane. It is easier to accelerate into a free space ahead, vesus trying to look, and move left or right, or brake hard not knowing if the vehicle behind you can brake in time. I would have to drop a gear to get the acceleration on a DL650 while I might just have to roll the throttle on the DL1000 to get out of trouble. No clue because I haven't tried any DL at 60-80mph acceleration.

Experienced DL riders should be able to comment on DL 60-80mph acceleration differences between the two bikes.

In those previous situations, I was riding a Honda 500 Inteceptor, where peak power doesn't occur until after 8000rpm, and I might be cruising on the highway at 5000rpm. It was a pig if I tried to get out of trouble if I didn't downshift and get the RPMs into the power band. I was able to do it on the 500, so perhaps it isn't really that big of an issue. Just something I thought I might throw out.

I might try and pickup a used DL650 and ride that for a few years. I am looking at the classifields here as well as craigslist. No used DLs at the two dealers I visited.
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Looks like my wife is pushing for me to get ABS..which rules out the DL1000 but not the DL650 or the BMWs.
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Tons of wee's for sale on advrider.

True, that 800 has been around long enough for BMW to get the FI mapping figured out. I still wouldn't buy any 1st year BMW bike.

It's just tough for me to beat the economic bang you get from the wee. You have to put 40,000 miles on one to depreciate it $2000. Wait until you see the hit you take on a high mileage BMW. It's hard to find a used wee for less than $4500. And you can buy them brand new for $6,000.

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post #10 of 16 Old 08-20-2008, 09:51 AM Thread Starter
 
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A local 2008 DL650 turned up on craiglist yesterday.

250 miles and asking $6200. No ABS.
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