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post #1 of 6 Old 05-14-2008, 01:16 AM Thread Starter
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How is the ABS

Hi,
I am looking at getting a Vee (650) ABS. I really like the relatively high handlebars and the lower peg position at least when I am lusting at it at the dealer. I currently ride a Kawasaki ex500 and my knees feel a bit cramped on it. I have the following questions:

1) Is the ABS on both the front and rear wheels? Somebody told me it was only on the rear wheel. ABS is the primary reason I am considering the Vee.

2) Are the front and rear brakes linked?

3) Dont like the wind blast at higher speeds on the ex500. Is the Vee windshield better? I am 5' 11".

4) My ex500 is very quiet when cruising. I am not into noise. Is the Vee quiet when cruising?

5) In the city, the ex500 does about 3500rpm at 40mph in 5th and is very smooth. Does the Vee operate in a similar manner?

6) At the lights the ex500 is a bit of a 'thumper' at idle and there is quite a bit of vibration of the parallel twin. How is the Vee at idle?

Finally did any of you Vee owners ride an ex500 before and can you give me some perspective?

I really like my ex500 and have had it only for 3 months. Should I consider upgrading? I am 49 and not into high speeds and risky behavior.
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post #2 of 6 Old 05-14-2008, 06:36 AM
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I've got a DL650 ABS and can answer some of your questions. First a clarification: The DL1000 is usually called the "Vee" here. I've got the 650 which is commonly called the "Wee" and is the only model currently available with ABS braking.

1) Is the ABS on both the front and rear wheels? Somebody told me it was only on the rear wheel. ABS is the primary reason I am considering the Vee.

The ABS works on both wheels, this misconception is pobably due to the fact that the rear tire is easier to lock up and engage the ABS.

2) Are the front and rear brakes linked?

No

3) Dont like the wind blast at higher speeds on the ex500. Is the Vee windshield better? I am 5' 11".

Don't know about the EX500. I'm 6'-0" and have ridden the V-Strom with and without the windsheild, much less wind with the windsheild.

4) My ex500 is very quiet when cruising. I am not into noise. Is the Vee quiet when cruising?

At speed the exhaust pretty quiet.

5) In the city, the ex500 does about 3500rpm at 40mph in 5th and is very smooth. Does the Vee operate in a similar manner?

At 40 MPH on the Wee, I'm usually in 3rd gear, don't recall revs, but in non-agressive commuter-type riding I usually shift around 5,000 RPM.

6) At the lights the ex500 is a bit of a 'thumper' at idle and there is quite a bit of vibration of the parallel twin. How is the Vee at idle?

For me, my point of reference is the Harley Davidson. The DL650 is much, much smoother at all revs, especially idle.

Finally did any of you Vee owners ride an ex500 before and can you give me some perspective?

Not I

I really like my ex500 and have had it only for 3 months. Should I consider upgrading? I am 49 and not into high speeds and risky behavior.
This is a tricky question: I'm a few years younger than you, most of the riders on this forum are in this demographic. The V-Strom, 650 or 1000, is not a sportbike, the riding posture is neutral and very ergonomically friendly to riders of your size. As far as risk: Any bike can be ridden irresponsibly. Before you decide what to do, I thnk it's a good idea to test ride several different bikes as you continue to ride your current bike and to evaluate how you plan to use it.

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post #3 of 6 Old 05-14-2008, 10:12 AM
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I only have just over 1000 miles on my ABS DL650, but I am glad I waited to get it with ABS (I picked it up on Friday.) I was able to test both the front and back brakes (not linked) and, as mentioned above, the it is much easier to engage the ABS on the rear wheel. To get the front brake to engage ABS I had to get up to about 15 mph on wet asphalt, and I had to brake way harder than I expected to before the ABS engaged. The front wheel kept moving, and there was none of the pulsing or loud noises I had experienced on my R1100RT with ABS. I never liked how the BMW ABS worked, and with my very limited exposure this seems more like the ABS on my Honda S2000 car, which I really like. I'm sure that part of the improvement is just 10 years of progress in ABS. I read the "I've committed the ultimate sin" tread on this site and it made me even more sure about getting the ABS on the DL650. The bad news is that I waited 6 months to get it, and I hear they are in short supply.
I agree with all of the other comments about the bike. It rides a lot like an R1200GS only lighter, and like a F650GS only smoother and with more power. The seat will be replaced soon and I already put on the MRA XL windshield (from Twisted Throttle) and that is wonderful even at freeway speeds. I also installed the factory heated grips and a BMW accessory plug for my wife's heated vest. (All but 50 miles so far are two up.)
I am 5' 9" and 170 lbs. with a 30" inseam and I can live with the standard seat height, but I am on the balls of my feet. This is my 19th bike (BMW, Benelli, Ducati, Harley, Honda, Suzuki, Triumph and Yamaha) and I really like it so far. Good luck, it isn't a sport bike, but it is a great bike for anything from riding around town to 500 mile days. I can't comment about it off-road.
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The Wee does 3000rpm in 6th at 40mph. Since 3000rpm is the minimum rpm you want to run in any gear higher than first, 3500rpm in 5th is more commonly used at 40mph.

Pat- 2007 DL650A was ridden to all 48 contiguous states. I didn't quite make it to 17,000 miles on the 2012 DL650A.
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I moved up to a Wee ABS 5 weeks ago from an EX500. Very different experience-great bike. I had my EX for 9 months and rode it the whole time,some 5400 miles of daily commute. I loved it, but the Wee is a whole different bike. It's the difference between a Subaru DL and and a SUV for a cage metaphor. Smoother engine, more comfortable ride, higher more upright, less "tucked" position, much better brakes.I really liked my ninja, but the vstrom blows it away in several aspects. I'll answer your questions first- aside from those that have been answered for you.

3) Dont like the wind blast at higher speeds on the ex500. Is the Vee windshield better? I am 5' 11".

No. The Wee windshield sucks. Numerous posts attest to this. I'm 5'11.5", with a 32" inseam. The stock Wee was ungodly noisy, but not bad on buffeting for me, regardless of position. I had a laminar lip on my EX500 that put the wind on my helmet and shoulders, but it was was fairly quiet. I got a Madstad bracket after a week or so and it has made a difference in the noise, and wind blast hits my arms more than anything. The EX beat me up on the freeway, the Wee does not.

4) My ex500 is very quiet when cruising. I am not into noise. Is the Vee quiet when cruising?

I don't know what "cruising" is, but the Wee has a pretty quiet engine note. The ninja liked to howl if cruising meant speeds above 55 mph. It is a superior beast for 1-5, I-90, and 520 "cruising" if that's what you're aiming at.

5) In the city, the ex500 does about 3500rpm at 40mph in 5th and is very smooth. Does the Vee operate in a similar manner?

The Wee has a beautifully smooth engine. As said before, don't go below 3k. Under 4k it's like a sewing machine. Smooth and EX don't belong in the same sentence after the comparison.

6) At the lights the ex500 is a bit of a 'thumper' at idle and there is quite a bit of vibration of the parallel twin. How is the Vee at idle?

I ran them side by side at idle and the Wee was the same or quieter, noisewise. The vibration is nothing. As an ex500 owner, you know the bike's specialty is vibrating and making things make noises vibrating. No such problem on the Wee.


I really like my ex500 and have had it only for 3 months. Should I consider upgrading? I am 49 and not into high speeds and risky behavior.[/QUOTE]

Personal decision, but I am ridiculously impressed with me Wee. I have absolutely no regrets. That said, the EX taught me a lot, and I don't think I'd have been ready for the Wee without the lessons it taught me.
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post #6 of 6 Old 05-15-2008, 01:29 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you so much for your comments. Today I showed my wife the utube video comparing the braking performance of ABS vs non ABS bikes, and she has given me the approval to go for it. The difficulty now is that none of the dealers in the Seattle region have one! Worse they dont even know when they will get one. RMC says they ordered 40 and have been promised 1 by Suzuki and that 1 already has a deposit. Will have to keep looking. Dont want the SV. I want the upright position of the Wee.
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