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post #1 of 24 Old 12-23-2013, 11:10 AM Thread Starter
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Suzuki Dumbs--Irritations a Newbie Wants to Know

Just want to itemize some trivials--Suzuki bloopers--in case it means something to a new prospective purchaser.

I have recently bought a new 2013 V-Strom 650. Just finished the first level of break-in miles. Have found these irritations:
* Turn signal stalk sticks the head of the front turn signals out past the crash guards. So when I tipped it over (yeah! I know, clumsy ol fart!), the first thing to go was the hard plastic head of the turn signal. The flexible rubber stalk offered no help at all. So $58 OEM gone. Suzuki dumb!
* Handle bar weights have to be re-done because they keep unscrewing.
* "Helmet holders"???!!! What a joke! The seat is not hinged, so I have to hold the seat with my 3rd hand while trying to get the helmet strap crammed under the little wire. And then try to get the seat back on? Forget it!
* Gas cap opens to a 90-degree vertical toward the rider. So I pull up to a pump, try to hold the pump's hose & nozzle in front of the cap while shoving the California return vapor seal device up against the heavy spring so the gas will flow. (California's idiots didn't design a delivery nozzle for small bike tanks.) All of this on the front side of this big ugly tank cap rearing up in my face. Takes some pretty strong and flexible wrists to make it work. And I can't see if I'm overfilling the tank because of the vision-blocker built into the bike. Otherwise it's a full dismount and walk around the bike to hold all of it while pumping gas into a leaning bike. Why couldn't Suzuki make it open toward the front? Dumb!
* No changing handle bars at all. The cables & brake hoses are cut to a PRECISE and EXACT fit. They will not tolerate any height or pull-back variation in the handle-bars. Have to buy new custom-fit cables & hose.
* And of course the seat! But I've never sat on a Japanese bike that didn't need a new seat right from the start. So just consider this to be a show-room seat like it is in all such bikes.
* The wind screen everybody gripes about. But this is a bike, after all, so why worry about wind? I'm happy with it.
Other than that, the bike is turning out to be very impressive. Wonderful handling, good cruising, smooth operation, good acceleration (excellent, actually, for 650cc).

Thus are my gripes--so far. A good bike requires some griping, I guess.
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I didn't know there was a break in procedure. Ooops.
I did about 20 miles of 100 indicated (actually 93) within the first 200 miles. I rode the piss out of it at all speeds. I had the tires scrubbed in within the first 50 miles or so.

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Get off the bike to add fuel. It will also keep a mistake during filling from soaking your nether region in fuel. The cap is hinged at the back so if it pops open in a crash the cap won't castrate you as you slide up the tank. Raised filler caps and front hinges are out of favor.

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I wish you had told me you couldn't change the bar height before I put 30mm risers in it over a year ago....

The bar ends are not installed correctly if they keep coming loose.

Helmet holder? What helmet holder...:biggrinjester:

I am convinced crash bars are more ornamental than functional. They fit too close to what they are supposed to protect. Someone needs to make a set that allows the bike to fall onto them at a stop with very limited damage. Otherwise they make good highway bar mounts.

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Golly, I found none of the problems that have surfaced for you. I must be comatose. I'd get rid of such an aggravating vehicle.
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Just want to itemize some trivials--Suzuki bloopers--in case it means something to a new prospective purchaser.

I have recently bought a new 2013 V-Strom 650. Just finished the first level of break-in miles. Have found these irritations:
* Turn signal stalk sticks the head of the front turn signals out past the crash guards. So when I tipped it over (yeah! I know, clumsy ol fart!), the first thing to go was the hard plastic head of the turn signal. The flexible rubber stalk offered no help at all. So $58 OEM gone. Suzuki dumb!
* Handle bar weights have to be re-done because they keep unscrewing.
* "Helmet holders"???!!! What a joke! The seat is not hinged, so I have to hold the seat with my 3rd hand while trying to get the helmet strap crammed under the little wire. And then try to get the seat back on? Forget it!
* Gas cap opens to a 90-degree vertical toward the rider. So I pull up to a pump, try to hold the pump's hose & nozzle in front of the cap while shoving the California return vapor seal device up against the heavy spring so the gas will flow. (California's idiots didn't design a delivery nozzle for small bike tanks.) All of this on the front side of this big ugly tank cap rearing up in my face. Takes some pretty strong and flexible wrists to make it work. And I can't see if I'm overfilling the tank because of the vision-blocker built into the bike. Otherwise it's a full dismount and walk around the bike to hold all of it while pumping gas into a leaning bike. Why couldn't Suzuki make it open toward the front? Dumb!
* No changing handle bars at all. The cables & brake hoses are cut to a PRECISE and EXACT fit. They will not tolerate any height or pull-back variation in the handle-bars. Have to buy new custom-fit cables & hose.
* And of course the seat! But I've never sat on a Japanese bike that didn't need a new seat right from the start. So just consider this to be a show-room seat like it is in all such bikes.
* The wind screen everybody gripes about. But this is a bike, after all, so why worry about wind? I'm happy with it.
Other than that, the bike is turning out to be very impressive. Wonderful handling, good cruising, smooth operation, good acceleration (excellent, actually, for 650cc).

Thus are my gripes--so far. A good bike requires some griping, I guess.
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Try a 500 mile day, you will find the buffeting a problem.

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Try a 500 mile day, you will find the buffeting a problem.
Yeah, I do like the easier wind than the VN 750 I rode--without any fairings or windshield. Always after full days of that, I felt like I had the juices squeezed clear out of me. But, like a dumb biker, I felt like I just HAD to get back on it next day. Never did learn. Now I have a windscreen that beats the top of my helmet around. Gotta fix that. Maybe I am learning.

But anyway, I didn't know about the wind-screen issue until after I had the bike. A new guy might want to know about what I found.
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Yeah, I do like the easier wind than the VN 750 I rode--without any fairings or windshield. Always after full days of that, I felt like I had the juices squeezed clear out of me. But, like a dumb biker, I felt like I just HAD to get back on it next day. Never did learn. Now I have a windscreen that beats the top of my helmet around. Gotta fix that. Maybe I am learning.

But anyway, I didn't know about the wind-screen issue until after I had the bike. A new guy might want to know about what I found.

Known issue, as is also on many bikes, hence why there are various aftermarket offerings. You have been pretty critical of a bike which has quite a loyal following, don't sweat the small stuff, learn to adjust and get to know your bike allot better. You have given some very "trivial" items, and a few of which you were just flatout wrong about.

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Get off the bike to add fuel. It will also keep a mistake during filling from soaking your nether region in fuel. The cap is hinged at the back so if it pops open in a crash the cap won't castrate you as you slide up the tank. Raised filler caps and front hinges are out of favor.
Castration...
Hmmm....
That might pose a problem for some folks--young guys.
Never thought about that problem. I only knew about full-on crashes cutting the arteries on the inside of the legs (femoral arteries?) in which case, castration seems like a minor thing. The guy I knew who did that didn't have any opportunity to worry about cutting anything else. Handle bar mounts did that to him (the old cap screw style we used to have)--I guess a gas cap could do it too.

Gas stains (and gas stings) in the nether region was part of the trip, I thought. Dries out in the wind if you get going before it starts burning too much. But I sure do get irate when I spill gas all over a nice paint job!

But I do appreciate the update on the reason why! Thanks!
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Known issue, as is also on many bikes, hence why there are various aftermarket offerings. You have been pretty critical of a bike which has quite a loyal following, don't sweat the small stuff, learn to adjust and get to know your bike allot better. You have given some very "trivial" items, and a few of which you were just flatout wrong about.
Make sure that you don't ever, ever criticize the Buckeyes. Somebody might tell you that you are "just flatout [sic] wrong"!

Now I surely did NOT want to hurt anybody's feelings about their bike. No offense intended. Maybe guys from an older era just learned to grump about things they like. Or we criticize things we want to see changed. And I just wanted to make clear for new guys some things they might want to know. If you folks who are loyal followers of this bike already know it, then you shouldn't feel a need to defend it. It's just a true fact of ""trivial"" matters--as you quoted me on.

I'm trying to discover what I was flat out wrong about--cable lengths maybe? Because some guys could use their cables on a different handlebar? Mine won't. And mine isn't the only 2013 that won't allow variation, as I've found out.

Uhhh... "Learn to adjust?" Riding before I had a car license--mid-sixties, here *some* adjustments I've made:
Honda 55 trail (1964)
Honda 90
Yamaha oil burner 2-tac (forgot the sub-100 cc)
BSA (pre 1950)
Suzuki x 2
Binter
Honda (again!)
Kawi x2

Anyway, thanks for the warning about offending people. I surely did NOT want to offend anybody. And sorry too about the flaming. Sorta got my goat when some guy tells me to "learn to adjust." (I guess I need to learn to adjust to having a wind screen for the first time in my life!)
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