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Not much this rider could have done differently IMO.


Even though I can in this state I don't split to the front at lights 'cause of stuff like this.
 

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Check the intersection before and after the light goes green.

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So the white car to the left of the dark SUV sees the car running the light, but the SUV driver does not and is hit with force sufficient to roll it over.
Almost impossible for the cyclist to have seen the red light runner coming, period.
 

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This is just luck. Noticing that car running the light would be completely possible, but the rider is in the third lane over and would have had to see past a lot of vehicles to notice that.

wrt the OP comment "Even though I can in this state I don't split to the front at lights 'cause of stuff like this. " In this case that could have prevented the accident, or made it much worse. The white car isn't at the stop line so cutting to the front and pulling in ahead of that car, and assuming the rider would accelerate much faster than that SUV had, they may easily have been clear of the accident. Equally likely skipping to the front would have put them beside the white car, and they would have been blind sided by the white car taking our their rear wheel.

I never thought of dash cam footage of accidents as a learning tool before, but looking at this and imagining the possibilities and considering how I would react has been interesting.
 

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I just keep thinking about how lucky the guy on the bike is that the SUV to his left apparently didn't see the car running the red light. If the driver of the SUV had seen the car and then stopped short, the biker would have likely taken a direct hit. Scary.
 

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"I never thought of dash cam footage of accidents as a learning tool before"

WHolly crap, how can you look at any vid and not see it as a learning tool? To paraphrase Tennyson, "Idiots to the right of me, Idiots to the left of me, Idiots in front of me."
All those entertaining vids are screaming, watch for yo' ass!
Even the unexpected causes say pay attention. Turn off the sound system and be alert. Our country needs more lerts!
 

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...wrt the OP comment "Even though I can in this state I don't split to the front at lights 'cause of stuff like this. " In this case that could have prevented the accident, or made it much worse...

Typically I see bikers split to the front and take off as soon as the light changes. No regard for red light runners.

Me I let cars go through first and try to keep one abreast through the intersection. I look both ways before I go also.
 

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Typically I see bikers split to the front and take off as soon as the light changes. No regard for red light runners.

Me I let cars go through first and try to keep one abreast through the intersection. I look both ways before I go also.
"No regard for red light runners." This isn't possible to tell. Do you stare at their heads to see where they are looking? Ever see one get hit? Ever see someone run a light and the bike not take off? I would put money on the answer to all three of these being no. You see bikers split to the front, take off as soon as the light changes, and you have seen this happen many times without consequence.

Can we all say for sure we would have looked in this case? The rider is surrounded by cars, lots of them. Ego aside, I can't say for sure that I would have looked in this case. I don't know if I would look when surrounded by cars like that. There is a good chance I would have looked, but it's not something I am conscious of. I will certainly try to be conscious of it after seeing this.

Since this is a helmet cam, we can clearly see the rider didn't turn their head, but whether they checked with their eyes and didn't see the person running the light is not possible to tell.
 

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I generally stop so that I can see traffic coming from the sides but with so many lanes of traffic there that would have been difficult to do.

As the title of this thread says "you can do everything right" ... and sometimes it doesn't matter.


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"I never thought of dash cam footage of accidents as a learning tool before"

WHolly crap, how can you look at any vid and not see it as a learning tool? To paraphrase Tennyson, "Idiots to the right of me, Idiots to the left of me, Idiots in front of me."
All those entertaining vids are screaming, watch for yo' ass!
Even the unexpected causes say pay attention. Turn off the sound system and be alert. Our country needs more lerts!
I haven't really ever watched a crash like this before. The only motorcycle crashes I have watched are the one where the rider avoids a moose and the one where they slide under a rig on the highway. The first I watched specifically because I ride a lot in moose country, the second one because someone sent it to me.

I have watched plenty of tutorials, but I haven't ever watched a dash cam vid and analyzed it before.
 

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"No regard for red light runners." This isn't possible to tell. Do you stare at their heads to see where they are looking? Ever see one get hit? Ever see someone run a light and the bike not take off? I would put money on the answer to all three of these being no. You see bikers split to the front, take off as soon as the light changes, and you have seen this happen many times without consequence.

Can we all say for sure we would have looked in this case? The rider is surrounded by cars, lots of them. Ego aside, I can't say for sure that I would have looked in this case. I don't know if I would look when surrounded by cars like that. There is a good chance I would have looked, but it's not something I am conscious of. I will certainly try to be conscious of it after seeing this.

Since this is a helmet cam, we can clearly see the rider didn't turn their head, but whether they checked with their eyes and didn't see the person running the light is not possible to tell.

Well no I can't say, maybe the riders I've seen jet across the intersection have great peripheral vision! :grin2: I don't notice them turning their head to look, they are intent on watching the light change.

Most drivers don't look either, just take off.
 

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My Brother had the front end taken off his 1966 Cougar doing that...once. He always did a few second count before venturing out after that.
I, on the other hand, haven't been killed yet. Lucky kinda guy.
 

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Green means it's legal to go, not that it's safe.

Looks like he does a check to his right as he starts off. Not that it would have saved him here, but looking left first is a better choice.
 

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Nope, the rider made a mistake by not head checking the intersection before taking off. The rider in the video completely relied on the other 'traffic' to check for threats for HIM...how did that work out ???. And another thing, he was sitting on his bike in neutral with his hands off the handlebars 26 seconds before impact. I know this is a tempting thing to do, relax, shake out your hands, look around...but it is 100% always a bad idea 100% of the time because you are helpless to evade anything. You, me and any other rider is never safe, there is no DMZ, we are always at risk and it is up to US the rider to maintain a diligent watch for threats all the time.

Sorry, but "luck" and "shit happens" does not apply in this scenario, but he was lucky he is not dead or in intensive care or worse....driving around a Little Rascal scooter by blowing into a tube to operate the thing because he was paralyzed from the neck down.

If you are not checking every single intersection before entering it, you are making a mistake that might cost you dearly.
 

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There will always be situations where avoidance isn't possible except for not being there which means not riding or driving at all. A rogue deer took out a couple on a bike in front of me and there was absolutely nothing they could have done to prevent it except not being there. I just try to be alert as possible and hope that I don't encounter one of those situations. It's a risk you have to take if you want to ride or drive.
 

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Totally disagree.

When I stop at a light or behind a car stopped at a light, I'll keep the bike in gear and clutch disengaged and keep an eye on my mirrors to make sure the next car coming stops and sees me. Once that car has stopped and I am sandwiched front to back and left to right I can see no reason to keep the bike in gear with the clutch disengaged generating massive amounts of heat that can cause a safety issue on its own. Furthermore, when I stop like that I am alway left or right enough so I can get beside the vehicle in front of me should I need to.

Not trying to be a Richard here but please tell me why in this SPECIFIC set of circumstances he should have had the bike in gear with the clutch pulled in?

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Nope, the rider made a mistake by not head checking the intersection before taking off. The rider in the video completely relied on the other 'traffic' to check for threats for HIM...how did that work out ???. And another thing, he was sitting on his bike in neutral with his hands off the handlebars 26 seconds before impact. I know this is a tempting thing to do, relax, shake out your hands, look around...but it is 100% always a bad idea 100% of the time because you are helpless to evade anything. You, me and any other rider is never safe, there is no DMZ, we are always at risk and it is up to US the rider to maintain a diligent watch for threats all the time.

Sorry, but "luck" and "shit happens" does not apply in this scenario, but he was lucky he is not dead or in intensive care or worse....driving around a Little Rascal scooter by blowing into a tube to operate the thing because he was paralyzed from the neck down.

If you are not checking every single intersection before entering it, you are making a mistake that might cost you dearly.
 
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