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6k km (3k+ miles) seems really lame comparing to 12k in honda adventure bike, or even yamaha.
How is that engine different? just curious.
 

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Many maintenance schedules are not formulated with ultimate engine longevity in mind. An advertising advantage, lower consumer cost, and amount of waste oil generated in the expected life of the vehicle plays a part in this as well.
Oil is inexpensive compared to an oil-related failure, and if I had to pick one over the other, I'd change oil earlier that what is recommended by the manufacturer. The impression I get from talking to vehicle service reps is that after the warranty period they arent much interested how long your vehicle lasts.
 

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Many maintenance schedules are not formulated with ultimate engine longevity in mind. An advertising advantage, lower consumer cost, and amount of waste oil generated in the expected life of the vehicle plays a part in this as well.
Oil is inexpensive compared to an oil-related failure, and if I had to pick one over the other, I'd change oil earlier that what is recommended by the manufacturer. The impression I get from talking to vehicle service reps is that after the warranty period they arent much interested how long your vehicle lasts.
naah, that's not it - honda engine last long time with 12k km service, as well as yamaha, e.g. my xt660z is like 10k km oil change interval and this engine lasts hundred of thousands of km or miles.
I'm interested is that engine special in some way or just suzuki service wants to get more money out of you in warranty period. BTW many studies have been done and engine oil characteristics are as good as new when we change it. Could be more dirty of course but again suzuki recommends oil filter change every third time oil is changed...weird.

Asking because I'm on the market for a new touring bike now, considering v-strom 1000, Super tenere.

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nothing is cheap if you're doing it too often :)
 

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I'll go 5,000 miles on an oil change when running full synthetic oil regardless of what the manufacturer says. I won't go longer than that regardless of what he manufacturer says either.

Most years I don't get that many miles on the bike and I do an oil change every fall at the end of the season anyway so for lower mileage riders it is a moot point.

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I'll go 2000 to 2500 miles for liquid cooled, and 1000 to 1200 for air cooled. Oil gets dirty from the byproducts of combustion, no matter what kind it is. Like MAZ says, oil is cheaper than engine work.
 

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Maybe it is similar to what they do with road speed signs. They assume everyone is driving in wet or snow conditions, and set a safe speed for that. It is way too slow for dry conditions, but better than having a lot of crashes when a storm comes.

So Suzuki assumes you are going to buy the cheapest oil available, and then recommends you change it more often.
 

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Suzuki is 12,000 km between oil changes. They said the is 2015.

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really? great so 12000 km or 7500 miles. Very good.
cannot find online any newer manual of v-strom.
So basically like honda or ktm adventure.
 

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New 2015 Jaguar F-type. Supercharged engine. Approximately 16,000 miles for recommended oil change intervals. Which is what it got.

New 2018 BMW X3. Turbocharged engine. 10,000 mile oil change intervals. Which is what it got and will get.

New BMW R 1200 RT. 6,000 mile oil change interval. I have had the oil sample tested. Plenty of oil life left. Easy 10,000 mile interval according to people that actually know facts about oil. I will change it around, either over or under depending on how trips work out. Would not concern me at all to have 8-9,000 miles on the oil after a long road trip.

Engines like clean oil and enough of it. The confusion starts with describing "clean". You can put new oil in a pan and heat it to 190 degrees and it darkens. So it must be dirty? No, not at all. That is simply some of the additives changing color after heating. 190 is a good oil temperature by the way.

Some of the engines that get astronomical numbers of miles get long oil drain intervals. Proving to me that changing oil at 3,000 miles is a true waste of money. Factor in those that leave a filter seal on the engine, crossthread drain plugs, forget to put in the new oil and start the engine, and so on I will say the averages are in favor of going what your owners manual recommends for a long life of your engine. The less you mess with something, can mean you are better off!
 

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Looks like you are interested in a 1000 but my 2017 650 manual says to change the filter only with every third oil change, which in turn is every 6000km or 3750miles (which they round down 3500miles in the manual) or once a year, whichever is reached sooner. In other words one filter every 18000km or 3 years. I have always changed the filter with every oil change in all my vehicles, just seems like a cleaner way to “start fresh” and most manuals require it anyway.
 

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I'm my own labor on anything I own, so cost for oil and a filter isnt a factor at all for me. Wet clutch engines, I'd prefer not to have metal particles or clutch material in my oil if I can avoid it. And I can, and do.
Whatever works for you.
Realistically, you dont HAVE to do anything at any time...until it quits.
 

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New 2015 Jaguar F-type. Supercharged engine. Approximately 16,000 miles for recommended oil change intervals. Which is what it got.

New 2018 BMW X3. Turbocharged engine. 10,000 mile oil change intervals. Which is what it got and will get.

New BMW R 1200 RT. 6,000 mile oil change interval. I have had the oil sample tested. Plenty of oil life left. Easy 10,000 mile interval according to people that actually know facts about oil. I will change it around, either over or under depending on how trips work out. Would not concern me at all to have 8-9,000 miles on the oil after a long road trip.

Engines like clean oil and enough of it. The confusion starts with describing "clean". You can put new oil in a pan and heat it to 190 degrees and it darkens. So it must be dirty? No, not at all. That is simply some of the additives changing color after heating. 190 is a good oil temperature by the way.

Some of the engines that get astronomical numbers of miles get long oil drain intervals. Proving to me that changing oil at 3,000 miles is a true waste of money. Factor in those that leave a filter seal on the engine, crossthread drain plugs, forget to put in the new oil and start the engine, and so on I will say the averages are in favor of going what your owners manual recommends for a long life of your engine. The less you mess with something, can mean you are better off!
exactly right, my VW Tiguan has 30000 km oil change interval so don't see why motorcycle should have much less.
Oil change scam is pretty common though, especially in US.
 

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Mostly the reason motorcycles have shorter oil change intervals than cars is because the gearbox on a motorcycle shares the same oil as the engine. It is a fact that a gearbox is harder on oil than just the engine alone. Most cars that I am aware of have separate engine and gearbox oils.
 

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The only way to truly know where the oil is in its service life is to get a sample analyzed. I venture to guess that well over 90% of the time we are draining out and throwing away perfectly good oil. But like I say if you aren't over maintaining your motorcycle you must be under maintaining it.


I used to change oils every 2 to 3,000 miles and right before winter no matter how much mileage. Now I do it at 5,000 miles. Still most likely leaving a lot of service life on the table but its easy to remember when you have mutiple bikes.
 

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...cost for oil and a filter isnt a factor at all for me...
This.

In Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath", the Joad family threw a rod on their cross country trip. Tom Joad sourced a rod bearing from a junkyard, drained the oil, replaced the bearing, and poured the dirty oil back in the engine. Fortunately, the Great Depression is over and clean, fresh oil is available at reasonable prices anywhere in America.:grin2:
 

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Looks like you are interested in a 1000 but my 2017 650 manual says to change the filter only with every third oil change, which in turn is every 6000km or 3750miles (which they round down 3500miles in the manual) or once a year, whichever is reached sooner. In other words one filter every 18000km or 3 years. I have always changed the filter with every oil change in all my vehicles, just seems like a cleaner way to “start fresh” and most manuals require it anyway.
My DL650 manual says the same, and I do the same as you. I just do not see the minimal extra cost as relevant - and I get to remove an extra 1/2 cup of used oil as well.
Undoubtedly it could be left much longer in high mileage situations. I have never stopped in the middle of a trip for a "must do" oil change.
 

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I'm my own labor on anything I own, so cost for oil and a filter isnt a factor at all for me. Wet clutch engines, I'd prefer not to have metal particles or clutch material in my oil if I can avoid it. And I can, and do.
Whatever works for you.
Realistically, you dont HAVE to do anything at any time...until it quits.
When EVER in doubt, refer to the 1000 here with 400K plus miles using nothing but car oil and Fram oil filters. :wink2: Pretty sure Kith goes with extended oil change intervals as well, and how is/are filtered metal particles mixing around in our oil? :confused: Blackstone oil analysis tells it ALL and many here do that, and that includes any metals in the oil and everything else. I agree that all in all oil is cheap, but I don't ever change my oil until 4k/5K miles, and I always change filter every other change. I'm in the full synthetic oil camp, see no reason to not run full synthetic.

I will also reference the Honda Valkyrie 1500's which I also own, MANY owners worldwide have 200K miles plus and one guy has over 500K miles, most all owners extend their mileage due to running full synthetic oil. The only reason I change mine at the intervals I do, is a slight decrease in shifting quality, but I am quite confident the oil is still protecting as it should. Paranoia will destroy ya, much more often than an engine being destroyed. :grin2:
 

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I need to look at my manual. I could have sworn it said 6,000KM and no mention of a filter every other change. But I am forgetful. Going to pull it out and review.
 
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