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Hello, first real post here. Have been lurking for awhile.

I currently ride an XR650L and am considering the Wee/Vee and would like to know if this would be a satisfying replacement for my XRL as my next bike. Frankly, I’m all over the place in terms of what I might want for a next bike: it varies from the Wee, Vee Strom, KTM 950/990 ADV, KTM 950 SE, Triumph Tiger, even considering an FJR1300, which is obviously much more suited to slab. Like many others, I’m searching for that perfect adventure touring bike and I’d like to ideally have just one bike that can “do it all.”

My biggest gripe about the XR is that it is not (no surprise here) a very highway friendly bike. Sure, you can cruise at 65-70 mph for long stretches, but not comfortably and at what cost to the motor? For what I want to do (medium to long-range adventure touring), the XR does many things very well, except for the fact that its single cylinder motor/lighter weight is not ideal for riding long stretches of highway comfortably. Can the Wee cruise comfortably all day long at these speeds or higher if necessary? How much off-roadability would I be giving up with a Wee over the XR? Admittedly, when I acquired the XRL I had much grander plans of doing a lot more off-road riding than I actually have been doing since I got it. I still love the XR but am just looking for something with more highway capabilities and comfort and that's where the Wee/Vee (as well as the others I mentioned above) come into consideration. Note that I'm also considering the Vee as well, but just don't know if it is more than I need.

Seems like some Strom owners are putting TKC-80s on their Vees/Wees and taking them just about anywhere. That sounds encouraging. Appreciate anyone's thoughts on this.
 

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I have a DRZ 400 which is similar to the XR 650 in most ways. I would have to say the only thing you are giving up from the XR is off road capabillity. The strom is a do-it-all bike. You can ride some easy trails with out any difficulty, but the most noticable difference is general road riding. The strom is comfortable and powerful enough to go all day without any problems. I think my DRZ has less than 100 miles on it for the year. Since getting my wee, my other bikes just sit in the garage. It's nice to know that they are there if I feel like riding them, but I enjoy the wee much more than the other two. The true dual-sport bikes like the XR, DRZ, KLX are a lot of fun in their element. They just are not great highway bikes. If the seat were a little wider and softer, it might help some, but I wouldn't want to do more than 100 miles or so on mine.
 

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I think with the wee you are getting way more then your giving up. It won't rumble along on single track like the XR but it will eat highways.:jawdrop: You may have noticed that most are outfitted with a Madstad bracket to stop buffetting and that an upgrade in seats usually occurs for those so inclined to travel into the sunset. Other than that I would give the OEM tires a try, they seem very good to me and I travel just like you said (medium range adventure touring). It's the one I'd try first cause it would be so easy to resell should it not meet my needs:yesnod:.
 

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Don't have any illusions - the Strom is NOT a dirt bike.

As an ex-MX'er, the Strom appealed to my senses, just barely enough off road capability to ride up a two track, zip down a mysterious dirt road, or cut down a rough alley. It's a tough bike. I've seen YouTube vids of Stroms getting air, blasting up and down hills, singletrack, broken shale trails, etc., but I really think its out of it's element for real trail rough going. It's a big bike [the fairing will seem absolutely huge from the riding position when compared with your tiny XL's cockpit], with not a whole lot of suspension travel, low slung, so you have to really be mindful of it's largesse when off road. I look at it like it's a Toyota RAV SUV or a little Ford Escape - you can take it off road if you're careful, but it's really much happier on the road.

That said, It's a wonderful bike to eat up miles on, whether it's on the freeway, or two lane back roads. Smooth, comfortable, and there are so many accessories to be had, that it's impossible not to fine tune it to your ultimate magic setup.....it's a great canvas.

I don't know if I'd ever put some TKC knobbies on my Wee, just because I commute to work on it so much - not much sense in grinding down expensive knobbies for nothing!, so I'm happy to stick with barely dirt worthy tires [bridgestone battlewings]. Which kinda limits my off-road explorations, but that's fine, not much "technical terrain" in Michigan anyway!
 

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It's a big bike [the fairing will seem absolutely huge from the riding position when compared with your tiny XL's cockpit].
No doubt. I sat on both a Vee and Wee at my local dealer yesterday and the first thing I noticed was that these bikes were so much bigger (and heavier) than my XR. I'm no stranger to big bikes but it's been awhile since I've ridden anything larger than my XR. Right now I don't do much offroading anyway, just the occasional dirt/gravel road whenever I plan or map out a ride using GPS. One of the things I'm looking for is to expand my options in the event that I'm far away from home and want to simply abort a route and get home faster and just hop on the freeway. The XR can do this, but again, with limited capabilities whereas the Wee would be right at home doing so.

Thanks for the input, Joker. :thumbsup:
 

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Its kinda funny, when I'm standing up on it, and puttering down a bumpy two track, I can't help but laugh - the bike tries so hard to be a dirt bike, but it's just not one. Kinda like a mutt that's always trying to be a show dog!

But, trying gets very far, in my book - its one of the best bikes I've ridden. A great bike to get lost on - you can pretty much take any way home if that happens [btw, way more comfy than my buddy's F800gs - he's a uber-noob, and will probably never take his bike off road, even though he's a really good mountain biker - just kinda intimidating, I suppose. It's entertaining to watch him squirm around on the pencil wide seat on that thing after 40 minutes of riding, as I sit on my Strom couch. Maybe he's gotta dump it a few times to get over the hump.]
 

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Keep it

If you can keep the XR and add a DL, you'll have the best of both worlds. The DL is fine for poking along down dirt and gravel roads and smooth dirt trails, but too big, heavy, and powerful for real dirt riding. My XR is uncomfortable on the highway (though the engine shows no sign of distress at extended 75 MPH running) but is great at trail-riding, and an absolute blast on dirt and gravel roads. Considering that they ran air-cooled XR's for many years in the desert races with great success, I kinda doubt the engines is being strained on the highway. As a precaution I feed mine premium Honda oil. If you gotta let the XR go to get a DL, and you do much real dirt riding, you'll be unhappy.
 

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The Wee

The Wee for me.

It does not do any one thing superbly.

However, it does many things very very well :thumbup:

I do long distance fully loaded with clothes and camping gear for up to two weeks, covering 800+ kilometres in a day.

I commute daily in traffic.

Dirt roads and trails see the bike more capable than my faded skills.

The size/weight feeling diminishes quickly after you spend some time on the bike, they are very easy to get used to [I have done close to 25,000km in ten months since buying my Wee brand new after trading my BMW R1150GS].

Tourance tyres give great road handling on wet or dry and handle dirt roads very well while giving 20,000+ km on the rear before reaching the wear blocks.

I doubt you could find a more versatile bike. :fineprint:
 

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I've owned a lot of bikes - 70+ - and the V-Strom is one of the best all arounders that I've ever ridden.

I just got rid of an FJR1300 that I bought for a 2-up mount. I was never comfortable on that bike. Unless you like bulk and heft don't bother.

Having owned a number of big singles, I know where you're coming from. They are adequate in the dirt, but heavy and nowhere near as much fun as a serious off road bike. They also suck on the highway.

The V is a great bike that can be taken into light off road conditions, but don't push it!
 

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I'm coming off of a DR650SE that was used exclusively for on-road commuting. After getting some seat time on my new DL1000, I've concluded that the V-Strom is more of a street bike than the DR is a dirt bike. (I hope that makes sense.) Each machine has distinct advantages and disadvantages, none of which should be a mystery to someone who has accumulated a few miles riding each one. I will miss the DR's low end tractability, high mpg and plush (read: undersprung) suspension, esp. on city streets and in city traffic. I won't miss it's limited acceleration and modest cargo carrying ability when I'm slabbing the big Strom on any upcoming tours. I'd keep the DR if I could, but the Missus requires that I sell it, and purchase a new refrigerator for the kitchen, in exchange for agreeing to the purchase of the new DL.

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Thanks for the additional replies.

While I don't anticipate that I would regret obtaining a Wee (or Vee), I wonder if I'd regret getting rid of the XR and, therefore, would consider Jimding's advice. I haven't done any serious off-roading with my XR and all the riding I've done so far could have easily been accomplished with a Wee. I do love the XR and it's a real hoot zipping along on back county roads and taking it on some gravel or poorly paved roads. Again, the Wee seems well suited to handle this type of riding with the added benefit of being able to handle longer stretches of slab better for long-distance adventure touring.

Damn, why won't Yamaha just bring the Super Tenere here to the States? Would make this entire thread moot. I suppose that's for another discussion though...
 

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(W)hy won't Yamaha just bring the Super Tenere here to the States? Would make this entire thread moot. I suppose that's for another discussion though...
~90% of the bikes currently on the road appear to be various flavors of cruisers and sport bikes (and 90% of these bikes have loud exhausts!) It's easy to be surprised that "standards" like the V-Strom even made it to these shores.

It pains me to say that Yamaha was probably acting rationally when the company decided to forgo importing, e.g., the Super Tenere. Even during good economic times -- or perhaps especially during such times -- cruisers and race replicas are the bikes that get sold in the United States. Period. Our nation's geography and road system, and the riding population's affection for joining clubs and/or showing off, makes the two aforementioned classes of motorcycle the obvious choice for almost every guy that walks through the dealership's doors. I'm actually proud to not count myself amongst their ranks.

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I have a 2008 Wee and looked longingly at an XR the other day

I have a 2k8 wee strom. Almost 13000 miles in one year of ownership. I DID, however, stop in a the local honda dealership the other day and sit on a 2008 XR650L sitting on display. I must admit, I longed for that type of bike. I Had an old DR650 (1994) and I wasn't worried about going into dirty places with mud and no roads, however, I do remember also that the large 650 engine made it hard for me to really do fun trail riding, which was what I bought it for.

But that XR650L looked cool. Then I thought about the fact that:
I would end up paying more for a bike with less protection. The DL650 has the windshield and double headlights and the large fairing, which blocks a lot of air action on the highways. I leaned out around it at 80 mph the other day to remind myself of that fact. The noise increased and I was reminded of doing 75 on the DR650, the wind blast pulling my backpack off and pushing me around at will.

Also I would loose the heated handgrips if I traded the V strom in. In cold Virginia these day, that would suck. I would also loose the electrical plug ports that came installed on the machine, which allow me to plug in my GPS and electric heated pants.

I would also loose the wide seat, and the large tank. Hmmmmm

And I would get exactly what I owe in a trade in, so would have a higher payment. So sticking with the Vstrom. Gotta admit, its a much better deal.
 

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As mentioned.....
If you can keep the XR and add a DL, you'll have the best of both worlds.
If that's at all possible I'd hang on to the XRL.

That statement is coming form a KLR650 rider. I just picked up a Wee to fill the void left when I sold my FZ-1. (high peg height kills my knee). I used the FZ to eat up miles and the KLR for daily commuting and for when I was "jonesing" for my long gone days of trail riding on YZ's. I did log in some 300 mile days on a KLR but was worn out afterwards along with riding some stuff I'd not even consider taking a Strom. I have no plans to be without a KLR.:mrgreen:

With all that said and drifting back on topic, by the way you describe your riding style, you'll love the DL. I think a Wee would be a little less of a weight difference but seem like a true cruiser compared to the XRL. If two up is in your plans, many here will point you toward the Vee. Either way you'll be getteng a great bike.

Just remember, you can sell it later(XRL) but you can't get it back ( well you can but it'll cost ya).....Al
 

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Best of both worlds......I own a '06 XR, 30,000mi, and picked up an new '09 Vee, currently 17,500mi. I've used the XR on some rather long journies and it will do it, but you pay for it in the ride comfort...as you well know. Going from the XR to the Vee was like jumping into a luxury car after riding around in a VW. The ride and comfort of the Vee has me taking it on most of my rides. It really has me spoiled. Mount some panniers, carry anything and everything you need and want. The heavier weight makes it feel sooo smooth on the interstate, and with all the farkles that are available....you can set it up any way you like. If you can...keep'em both, you won't regret it....good luck
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hopefully he's bought a wee by now. It's' apples and oranges. once i get the wee, i'm selling the xr650.

and buying a crf450x, Lighter wt dirt bike. Still want the dirt, but want the wee for a good road bike thats flexible enough to ride some light dirt if you need to get out of a situation on the road.
 
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