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This thread is going to make me spend money

Uh, yeah, it did. I placed an order for the Givi with tank lock ring from our supportive friend at Adventuretech. Then as I complete the order, I see the fork brace slide by the screen on the scrolling Adventuretech site. Dang it, placed another order.
 

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You have to undo at least some of the straps. Move the bag to the rear, tilt to the front, or fold over the side. Quite cumbersome compared to a tank ring lock bag.
Realshelby, I know you are one of the senior contributors here, but I don’t understand where you are coming from with this statement. Did you ever own a good quality one like a Wolfman? It takes me two seconds to undo the two top buckles right under the handlebar, and another second to flip the bag upside down onto the tank. It’s a total non-issue! I’ll take a video next time I buy gas and post a link here.
 

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How do those strap-on bags work when you're getting gas? Do you just sort of push them aside, or do they have a divot in them so you can get to the fill cap, or what?
My Wolfman has snap buckles all around. Four of them. About the same kind and size you might find with a chest strap on a backpack. Undo the two front ones, leave the rear ones alone, flip bag over onto seat, upside down. When done just click the buckles back together, the straps are already the correct length. Or give them a tuck every once in a while so everything is where it should be. Hope this helps. I have the Explorer Lite.
 

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Realshelby, I know you are one of the senior contributors here, but I don’t understand where you are coming from with this statement. Did you ever own a good quality one like a Wolfman? It takes me two seconds to undo the two top buckles right under the handlebar, and another second to flip the bag upside down onto the tank. It’s a total non-issue! I’ll take a video next time I buy gas and post a link here.
Well, I am a Senior! I go out of my way to give reports that are unbiased and based on facts as I have learned them. Which doesn't go over well sometimes.

Yes, I have owned at least 3 strap type tank bags. Two magnet type tank bags that I remember.

I will never, ever even consider a magnet tank bag again.

One of the strap bags was rather large, I don't remember the brand for sure but it was a Nelson Rigg or Wolfman. Been 10 years or more that I gave it away. Not because it didn't work well, but was simply too large. The strap on tank bag that I still have, and would not hesitate to use again if needed, is a Nelson Rigg. On the smaller side of average. Many miles on it. It is what I used up till I went with the tank lock bags. It has the nylon buckles you squeeze to release. Two up front, one in the rear. I know it doesn't take too much effort to release the buckles....

I can have the Givi tank lock bag released and set in front of the handlebars before you get the second buckle loose. Givi tank lock bags are that easy to use. I also run a tether, optional, that I do not have to release unless I take it in with me.

Common sense tells you that no matter how careful you are, strap on bags are going to have a chance of scratching the paint or rubbing places in trim or paint. Ride a week in rain and if you don't clean under it often, there WILL be scratches from the rain water that has grit in it.

All strap on bags need you to fit and secure the tie down straps to the frame or other secure mounting point. That isn't too hard, but I will bet that many owners just leave them on the bike. I did on my BMW as getting them on and off was a bit of a hassle. When the bag is off, are the straps flopping in the wind? Maybe they need secured, another task. I don't run the tank bag unless I am traveling, so the straps are not welcome when I ride locally without the bag.

Probably the biggest reason I don't use a strap on bag, once I finally spent the money on a tank lock, is that I don't like to move my bag onto the seat. When travelling I usually have gear on the passenger seat. Then when I stop for fuel I sometimes remove my helmet, which I always put on my seat. No room for the bag there then. What I normally done was loosen all three buckles to put the bag away from the tank, or sometimes loosened to the two front ones and let it dangle to the side off the rear buckle. Worked out ok.

But again I can flip the lever on the Givi with the hand I grab on the right side with and lift it up and over the bar to set between the bar and dash. I will bet I can have it in place quicker and easier than you can undo the strap type buckles up front. Then you still have to move it around.

So while you have a good way of tending your bag by flipping it over, that isn't what I want to do with mine. I really don't want my bag turned upside down, due to what I carry in it. That is personal preference.

Negatives of a tank lock bag? Well you do have to leave the tank ring in place. But I hardly notice it. Cost? Yes you will pay more for a tank lock bag. Security? Well, I do run a tether on mine. But I have never had it come loose. ( I can tell you that I have forgotten to insert the buckles bag into the strap bag more than I want to admit!)

It is soooooo much easier to just plop the tank lock bag in place and snap the tether. No hunting for straps. I will go out on a limb here and say that anyone that buys a tank lock system will never want to have any other style. There is simply NO comparison in how convenient they are to use!:smile2:
 
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Here is the challenge. I made a video of releasing and reattaching the Givi tank lock bag. One shot of this, no practice. This is EXACTLY as it works when I stop for fuel. Can you match this with a strap on tank bag?

 

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Here is the challenge. I made a video of releasing and reattaching the Givi tank lock bag. One shot of this, no practice. This is EXACTLY as it works when I stop for fuel. Can you match this with a strap on tank bag?
I feel even better about my order.
 

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Can you match this with a strap on tank bag?
Teeny tiny tank bag and you are standing beside the bike with no gear on.

Try pulling a fully loaded bike up to fuel up without getting off the bike and with a 20+ liter tank bag. My Nelson-Rigg expands to 27 liters and I don't need to fiddle with some latch underneath and it was an empty bag ...mine is stuffed and often clocks in at 10-12 lb.
I just lift the bag off, set it vertically by my boot. Fuel up without ever getting off the bike...plant the tank bag and gone.

Magnets rock and what are you doing on an adventure bike if a couple scratches bother you??..:confused:

and magnets generally work on most bikes so swapping is not an issue. Gets expensive if you buy lock rings for different rides.
Mine works fine on my CB500x or the KLR650 and my previous 20 liter went everywhere on the Vstrom and then on the CBf1000.
I don't like the fact that the tank bag rings limit where you can position the bag.
 

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I don't want to fiddle with either straps or magnets, so tank lock ring it is.

What annoyed me about the magnetic Manta bag was not so much the inevitable paint damage, but the sheer annoyance of pulling it off every gas stop. The quick lock deal is just easier and faster.

Also the Manta had no built-in carry handle. Sounds like a small thing but it ain't. That's more about that particular bag than magnets though.

To each his own, but I don't want to fuel while sitting on the bike. Seems risky at best, if not downright foolish, and I am never in THAT much of a hurry.

I stayed on the bike while gassing up exactly once. The pump malfunctioned, and suddenly the tank was overflowing. I probably set a speed record, manually stopping the flow, hopping off the bike, and finding something solid to hide behind. I was convinced I was about to watch a big fire happen, as soon as the spilled gas touched a hot engine part.

Eventually the extra gas evaporated, and everything was fine, but I'm not doing that again.

Would that I were so fortunate as to have a multiple bikes problem. For those that do, the Givi ring adapters are around $16. BFD.

Still working on the prototype adapter to shift the bag back a little. Got hardware yesterday. I'm sure hijinks will ensue when I try to connect stuff up.

Some of the larger (>5L) quick lock bags do have provisions for shifting the bag forward and aft to suit. It's mostly the really small ones (like mine) that don't.
 

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You have to undo at least some of the straps. Move the bag to the rear, tilt to the front, or fold over the side. Quite cumbersome compared to a tank ring lock bag.
I don't own a tank lock model but I have to say my bag is not cumbersome at all. Two clips, tilt back and I am filling up and it takes about 2 seconds. Very happy with my clip on unit I and I think it looks and performs great. Wolfman explorer lite.
 
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I also use a tank lock ring system and think they can't be beat.

When I used a strap type (many many years ago) and a magnetic system quite recently I was able to leave the bases in place and just remove the bag so I cut a hole in each of the bases so I could leave the bases in place when I fuelled up, I only removed the bag and fuelled up through the hole.
 
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I was having too much fun to stop and take photos, but last night I cobbled together a prototype adapter plate for the Givi MT505.

It works in concept. But I'm glad I didn't try to go straight to a sheetmetal design. There are some issues to work out with the hardware.

Also I think sheetmetal would be too heavy. Eventually I'll be able to skeletonize the design and get it super-light. 3D printer would be great for this, if I had one.
 

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Did another iteration with the adapter plate setup. Another of my heavy plastic cutting sheets sacrificed itself to the cause, lol.

Used some spacers this time and the overall assembly is fairly neat, if not super elegant, and should be durable.

I think it could be executed in light sheetmetal, but the whole thing would be too heavy. Not useful if it doubles the weight of the bag!

Pictures taken, but not posted yet - I'm working on it. Maybe I'll start a thread as it's a unique project.
 

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I don't own a tank lock model but I have to say my bag is not cumbersome at all. Two clips, tilt back and I am filling up and it takes about 2 seconds. Very happy with my clip on unit I and I think it looks and performs great. Wolfman explorer lite.

Yep I've got the Explorer Lite un-snap the 2 clips in front pull the bag back so it rests on the seat.

I carry water in my tank bag and drink while riding. I live in the desert so it's not unusual for me to have 2-3 1 liter bottles in there. Hydration tube wrap around the bag for easy access.
 

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I made a thing to sit the MT505 back a few inches. The original design is fine if you have stock handlebars, but mine are on risers angled back so that didn't work. Too much interference between bag and bars near or at full lock.

I wasn't sure it would work, but so far it seems sturdy enough, while not adding too much bulk or weight to the bag.

Ingredients:

-a couple of those heavy plastic cutting sheets like you can get at Target (https://www.target.com/p/architec-gripper-flex-chop-set-of-4-poly-cutting-boards/-/A-49170191)

-1/4 thickness nylon bushings

-longer M4x0.70 screws (I used 20mm, originals are maybe 10-15mm)

-8-32 x 0.75" screws and 5/32" hole fender washers, plus corresponding nuts

I used stainless hardware, as it's all exposed to the elements, except for the metric screws. I don't have a source for stainless, metric hardware.

I can post a side view too if desired.
 

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Yeah, found kappa lock and oxford lock mount tank bags could not be set far enough back. Oxford interfered with bars and kappa (a taller bag) block the view of the cockpit too much. Have gone back to oxford strap-on x30 model. Much lower profile and can be mounted back far enough to be unobtrusive. But this fix is interesting. I would really like to have a tanklock system. Wondering if Desertbike has had some time now with it on bike?
 

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I have the SW Motech system and I was able to reposition the lock on the bag so I got the bag just where I wanted it.
 

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Still loving the Givi tank lock bag system, now using it on my new steed......will never go back to straps or magnets!!!
 

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Things that make you go Hmmmm.....

- why are there so many different kinds of:
bikes?
tires?
oil?
seats?
navigation?
tank bags?
luggage systems?
etc
etc
etc
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Could it be that there is no one "best"? No one thing that is so obviously the best, that all the pretenders just wither away?
Heck, there is no agreement even on what weather is the best to ride in. As I sit, looking out at a beautiful winter scene, maybe there is near universal agreement that riding in snow is not so nice but yet ,there are a few, who do enjoy it.
 
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