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I'm not sure how to make a poll but my question is the following:

Do wear Kevlar trousers?

Do you wear some sort of boot for ankle support / coverage ?
 

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ATGATT - All the Gear All the Time.

Motoport Air Mesh Kevlar pants and jacket. Bates milspec boots with non-slip soles and extra padding around ankles. Leather gloves. HJC helmet (DOT and Snell M2010). For rides over 30 mins, hearing protection (just got custom made ear plugs made for $50.00 at the audiologist).

That is my version of ATGATT and I feel confident in it. If you've not heard of motoport, look into it. Best gear for the money IMO.

Also, don't feel you need to spend tons of cash on good "riding boots". Do a search on military supply sites or police clothing sites to find some tactical boots. They work, provide protection in a crash, and are comfortable enough to wear walking around town.

Police Gear | Police Equipment | Tactical Gear | 5.11 Tactical | Bates Boots | Streamlight | Safariland | Galls (this site has good tactical police gear plus the Bates boots I bought).
 

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Very personal choices.

I do not think my responses will be typical, but here goes.

I have been riding since 1961, and have covered a distance greater than from here to the moon. Lots of folks have gone farther, but still that is a long way. At first, my choices of gear were limited by my budget, very very limited. Now they are not so limited that way, but still I do not wear much safety gear.

Last year I rode from Florida to Virginia and back, taking the scenic route and covering over 2500 miles. Here is a list of my safety gear: helmet.

No gloves, no jacket, ordinary shirt, ordinary slacks, ordinary shoes.

For me, safety includes my comfort, and when I am going to ride over 500 miles in a day, I have no time for extra bulk, extra heat, any impediments to reaching and using the controls.

Do I fall? Of course I fall, but nowadays I find that the only dangerous speed is zero. Falls still hurt, but there is not a lot of friction. No road rash, and the bruises are slight and heal in days, if not hours.

Did I ever need safety gear? Yes, and it would not have helped me to be wearing a Buick! A ten-wheeler backed over me and ruined the bike. Four of the wheels went over me. What sort of off-the-shelf gear would have minimized my injuries? I don't know. When they pulled me from under the cab of the truck, I stood up. Shakily, but I stood, although I did sit down quite promptly, and did not ride for three weeks. I drove to a job interview four days later.

So you can count me a minimalist from the point of view of gear,
for the past 51 years, and perhaps some of the years ahead.
This choice is clearly working for me. I hope your choice works for you.
I do not have a suggestion box for this subject.

Keith
 

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:thumbup: Freedom of choice is why I love our country. I don't think any safety gear should be mandated. Ride safe and wear what you want.

I do not think my responses will be typical, but here goes.

I have been riding since 1961, and have covered a distance greater than from here to the moon. Lots of folks have gone farther, but still that is a long way. At first, my choices of gear were limited by my budget, very very limited. Now they are not so limited that way, but still I do not wear much safety gear.

Last year I rode from Florida to Virginia and back, taking the scenic route and covering over 2500 miles. Here is a list of my safety gear: helmet.

No gloves, no jacket, ordinary shirt, ordinary slacks, ordinary shoes.

For me, safety includes my comfort, and when I am going to ride over 500 miles in a day, I have no time for extra bulk, extra heat, any impediments to reaching and using the controls.

Do I fall? Of course I fall, but nowadays I find that the only dangerous speed is zero. Falls still hurt, but there is not a lot of friction. No road rash, and the bruises are slight and heal in days, if not hours.

Did I ever need safety gear? Yes, and it would not have helped me to be wearing a Buick! A ten-wheeler backed over me and ruined the bike. Four of the wheels went over me. What sort of off-the-shelf gear would have minimized my injuries? I don't know. When they pulled me from under the cab of the truck, I stood up. Shakily, but I stood, although I did sit down quite promptly, and did not ride for three weeks. I drove to a job interview four days later.

So you can count me a minimalist from the point of view of gear,
for the past 51 years, and perhaps some of the years ahead.
This choice is clearly working for me. I hope your choice works for you.
I do not have a suggestion box for this subject.

Keith
 

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On the road I'm in the ATGATT camp. I have a pair of Aerostitch Roadcrafter pants, Darien jacket and Combat Lite boots that I wear. I'm cool enough or warm enough, depending on what I wear under the pants and jacket, to handle weather conditions/temperatures from the 20's to above 100, wet or dry, etc.

In my 13 years of road riding I've never been down nor been involved in an accident. However, I feel that if and when I am, I've at least taken steps to protect myself as best as possible.

Ride safe out there.
 

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I don't think Kevlar is necessarily vital.

I do wear either leather (most confidence inspiring, least practical), or textile riding pants depending on the season. Leather or mesh or textile jacket as well, heavy gloves as long as I can bear them, then lighter ones packed in my cases for long days where some relief is needed. Alpinestars boots, as I like the comfort of the CE rating. Of course, always a helmet.

However, if I'm just running a block or three to the grocery store, or the mile and change to my train station, I'll just put on a helmet + gloves.
 

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Comfort is "extremely" important.
 

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I have a Courtech Tourmaster coat that I wear all the time. I have over-pants that I wear when the weather turns bad, but usually just slacks. I always wear leather boots of some sort and have a few pair that I can switch off to, depending on if I'm riding to work or just going out riding.

I believe in ATGATT but can't afford much, so I'm wishing for Motoport and have contacted them, but so far, I'm saving. I believe in the Kevlar hype. (Don't need anyone to start up that argument again.)

I always wear gloves too, but mine are old and need to be replaced. My current helmet is a cheap Walmart Bell that is one of the best fitting helmets I've ever worn. (I crashed once, years ago, and am a firm believer in full face after seeing what was left of my helmet and faceshield following that crash.)
 

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> Helmet (natch),
> Kevlar jacket (choice of 2 - Akito Python2 when really cold, Scorpion when warmer) or mesh jacket, all with CE armor
> SIDI Vertabrae boots (riding) or Gaerne sport touring boots (riding + walking)
> A fine selection of leather gloves including Technic, Power Trip, Joe Rocket and others, depending on weather mostly. Heavy winter ones when cold, perforated shorty's when hot, more water resistant when raining.

Now the "M" part ...
> Joe Rocket Alter Ego pants, except when it gets hot, then it's just jeans.
 

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if im on the bike, it's full gear, hot or not.

if it's that hot that I cant ride, I take my car with AC on.

gear is:
Revit Sand jackets + pants with upgraded back protection
police tactical boots
Scorpion Magnum Gloves, short gloves if it's really hot
Shoei Qwest helmet
 

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I'm also an all gear at all times individual, mainly because I commute to work nearly year round so cold temperature protection is important to me. Joe Rocket Alter EGO 2.0 jacket, Tourmaster Flex pants, Fox racing gloves, Gore-Tex over the ankle hiking boots, and a Shoei Multitec helmet. I love the fact that the jacket and pants can be taken apart to maximize comfort in a range of temps. I've ridden in 14 degrees as well as 95 and stayed relatively comfortable. Most jackets and pants don't work that well over such a range.
 

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"For me, safety includes my comfort, and when I am going to ride over 500 miles in a day, I have no time for extra bulk, extra heat, any impediments to reaching and using the controls....."

Thats an interesting take on the gear. I suspect an open face helmet? :hurray: Thats better than many, and your god given right to choose.

I would only offer that there is great gear out there that is not hot, not uncomfortable, not bulky, and does not prevent me from reaching anything on the bike. I also have ridden many 500 mile days and some longer.

Klim pants (vented), full face AGV helmet (found it cheap), Revit boots (have used many pairs of leather work boots to). Leather work gloves. Textile Hi-Viz coat in summer and winter, thick leather coat when its in between hot and cold.

When I think about riding with less, I also consider sliding on my butt for a long way.
 

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When I returned to riding a couple of years back and had to invest in "riding apparel", I decided to go the ATGATT route: full-face, FirstGear pants, high-viz jacket, Magnum boots and reinforced gloves. Oh sure, it's a PITA having to "suit up" for a ride but I'm so used to it, by now, that I'd feel naked without it all.
 

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I do not think my responses will be typical, but here goes.

I have been riding since 1961, and have covered a distance greater than from here to the moon. Lots of folks have gone farther, but still that is a long way. At first, my choices of gear were limited by my budget, very very limited. Now they are not so limited that way, but still I do not wear much safety gear.

Last year I rode from Florida to Virginia and back, taking the scenic route and covering over 2500 miles. Here is a list of my safety gear: helmet.

No gloves, no jacket, ordinary shirt, ordinary slacks, ordinary shoes.

For me, safety includes my comfort, and when I am going to ride over 500 miles in a day, I have no time for extra bulk, extra heat, any impediments to reaching and using the controls.

Do I fall? Of course I fall, but nowadays I find that the only dangerous speed is zero. Falls still hurt, but there is not a lot of friction. No road rash, and the bruises are slight and heal in days, if not hours.

Did I ever need safety gear? Yes, and it would not have helped me to be wearing a Buick! A ten-wheeler backed over me and ruined the bike. Four of the wheels went over me. What sort of off-the-shelf gear would have minimized my injuries? I don't know. When they pulled me from under the cab of the truck, I stood up. Shakily, but I stood, although I did sit down quite promptly, and did not ride for three weeks. I drove to a job interview four days later.

So you can count me a minimalist from the point of view of gear,
for the past 51 years, and perhaps some of the years ahead.
This choice is clearly working for me. I hope your choice works for you.
I do not have a suggestion box for this subject.

Keith
Hey! C'mon y'all lets give it up for Keith shall we!! This guy is rock'n a bike like few others have! he more than deserves it!!

KUDO'S!!! KEITH!!

me? I just need a sheath for my long johnson, else I'm good... kidding! draggin jeans! ;)
 

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Fieldsheer 4 season jacket, fieldsheer 4 season over pants, Donner work boots (14" tall, lace up), reinforced leather/mesh gloves for summer, reinforced leather gloves for winter, scorpion full face helmet (high-viz), earplugs, my rain gear is Gortex Pro Qualifier by Basspro, and a high-viz (military required) vest over the top of the jacket or rain gear, and then normal clothing under jacket and overpants.

It took me 3 years invest in this. I started with a cheap helmet, my work boots, and a rubber rain suit.
 

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Always full face helmet (Shoei Multitec), boots (alpinestars), Tourmaster Transitions 2 jacket, gloves. For longer trips, cooler weather, rain, Toronto highway traffic etc, Tourmaster Venture Air pants and milspec vest. If I don't wear the armoured pants, I wear kevlar lined jeans....now back in the 70's it was open face helmets,tennis shoes, jean jackets, t-shirts, jeans and sometimes bare hands and I was never left wanting for more (although I did have many buddies who were injured in accidents where the added gear may have provided better protection)
 

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I've heard and read too many stories of people who see riders with terrible abrasion injuries--feet or hands or chin partly ground off or extremely painful skin grafts. And, older bodies heal more slowly than younger bodies, so--

Helmet--full face of a shape that fits my long-oval head just right and the right (snug and comfortable) size. Scorpion EXO-700 was close. Arai Signet-Q is better. Both meet or exceed the Snell standards with the Arai exceeding the new, better Snell M2010 spec. This is important to me. The DOT standard is the performance floor. European ECE 22.05 is better. Snell is tops.

Jacket--Rev'it with shoulder & elbow protectors and upgraded spine protector. Zipper vents, insulated & waterproof liners. Also a mesh jacket with the same protection.

Vest--Hit-Air inflatable air bag vest, yellow mesh

Pants--Scorpion textile pants (wish they had zipper vents) with knee & hip protection. Rev'it mesh pants with protection.

Boots--Tall Gore-tex touring boots or surplus Marine Corp boots. Both offer good abrasion protection and not great impact protection. Motocross boots have the best impact protection, but might be stiff for street & off-bike wear.

Gloves--Motorcycle gloves with knuckle protection, either leather or fiber or fiber mesh.
 

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RoadCrafter and Sidi boots and decent leather gloves.
I 'm trying a different set of gear, Belstaff Cordura pants with knee and hip pads and a Hein Gericke mesh jacket with pads for the hot trip to the 1st Annual Havasu gathering this weekend. I'll have my cool vests with me so I don't feel hot when the temps are in the high 90's. Oh Scorpion 1000EXO helmet and fitted earplugs from Big Ear.
I gotta say I think Keith has been out in the sun too long.
 

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Always a full face O'neill helmet, hard toe work boots (8"Bates or 1200g 8" Wolverines when it's chilly out) because they're about all I wear for shoes other than flip flops. I'm planning to get a decent airmesh coat and pants - the cheap alpinestar jacket I bought last fall is headed for the trash as the "armor" came unglued from the inside and the fit would work alot better if I had a beer gut. I normally ride with a tourmaster coat up to about 80 degrees and the overpants up to about 70... after that (until I get my mesh) it's jeans and a hoodie.

oh... and ear plugs... foam ones from work
 

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The front face area, the hands, knees, elbows and the feet are the usual places people are injured in bike accidents.

Broken arms and legs occur too, but you can't really protect those very well. If something hits them on an angle, or you land on them funny, they will break. Protect what you can.

Get good boots. They will protect your ankles better, prevent your foot from being turned around, protect your toes. The feet have many many bones and tendons and take a long time to heal. There are a lot of hobbling former bikers around. Protect them.

Same with hands. Get some good armored gloves. Spend more than you can afford on them. It's the only protection you get. Hopefully you never need it.

FF helmet definately. Who wants to lose their chin? not me.

Riding around with T-Shirts, shorts, runners on, is just asking for it. It would really suck to understand this too late. Just because you haven't had an accident yet, doesn't mean you won't. Gear up.
 
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