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It's my understanding that cars are the biggest
danger to a rider (with poor judgment on the riders part
a second).

If you could do only one thing to make
the v-strom more visible (money not an object)
to cars what would it be and how would you do it.

What if you could do two things (money not an object).

LEDs, reflective tape, a new paint color,
electro glow wire, modulators, neon?
 

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LEDs, reflective tape, a new paint color,
electro glow wire, modulators, neon?
Most of these items address night riding. Motorcycles and their riders also need to be conspicuous during the day.

A bright white or yellow helmet and/or a reflective vest over your gear would be a viable substitute for all that bling.

At least I hope so... :wink:
 

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Another chicago rider :) Totally understand the need to be visible with the nuts around here.

I've done a number of things so I'll show a picture and a link to the write up. In addition to the below I always ride with my brights on. I have never in my first 6500 (and counting) miles had anyone pull in front of me, or in general miss me. I'm not being complacent, its just never happened and I'll continue hard to make sure it stays that way. I also have never had anyone come up from behind me too quick.

Contrast is a excellent thing during the day. I wear a black jacket, and a silver helmet. Another even better helmet color is white. The worst is black.

First up side running lights: Orange running lights in front, and LED's in the rear.




Install thread here: http://stromtrooper.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7489&highlight=

Rating: Very high especially for dusk, or highway riding.


Next up Reflective tape:



Install thread here: http://stromtrooper.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6161&highlight=

Rating: Very high for night driving. Have a friend drive your bike and follow in a car and you'll see what I mean. Dont forget to put some on your helmet as it sticks out above everything else. Not visible during the day.

Hyper lights for brakes. See the below videos.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v46/zed88/lights/?action=view&current=2avi.flv



Install thread with pics and videos:
http://stromtrooper.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6161&highlight=

Rating: Very high. People really notice the bike, and its kind of like driving a SUV. The turn signal lights are also very nice because then you catch the attention of everyone and its a ideal location. Plus you never forget to turn them off. The only negative is they are expensive, however I value my life much more than a hundred dollars worth of lights.

Overall all the steps when put together are very effective and allow for maximum effectiveness. The only additional things I think you could do would be a pair of forward facing driving lights (hella f50's come to mind) mounted on the crash bars for increased spatial recognition. My guess is the v-strom lights are so effective because they appear to be 2 different lights, and cagers associate that with cars, and so they wont pull in front of you as much. A single light zooming towards them is much easier to mistake as a distant lightpole ect. 4 Lights coming towards them is most likely a truck, or jeep ect.

And of course you still have to ride like your invisible, this just helps keep the oh s**t moments down.

For proactive moments a single or dual foghorn cannot be beat. If they start edging out I'll be slowing down, on the brakes and moving away from them while on the airhorn. I reccomend the Stebel Nautilus Compact Dual-Tone 12-Volt Air Horn, 139 dB - Black. A number of motorcylce sites carry it. I've only used it once for people, and it was VERY effective at stopping the behavior of the cage. You cant ignore it unless your deaf. I reccomend practicing honking it before you use it yourself, or you'll startle yourself too. Its great for keeping possible bad situations from turning into BAD situations.

Personally I find modulating headlights to be distracting and piss people off more than they make yourself visible. So I went a alternate route.

And of course you still have to ride like your invisible, this just helps keep the oh s**t moments down.

Hope some of this helps,
Eric[/img]
 

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Saw a lot of riders lately with reflective vests, any safety supply store can provide one without breaking the bank. Tape on the bike, bags, helmet, lots of options. Gotta clean the bike so I can add more. A modulator is a good thing but can and will confuse some cages as I discovered lately so use with discretion. Daytime driving lites down low for a triangular view to oncoming traffic is also good. I have yellow driving lites for contrast.
All in all, looking like a UFO can be a good thing.
 

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All in all, looking like a UFO can be a good thing.
As long as you watch out for MIB.
 

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Storm Girl said:
LEDs, reflective tape, a new paint color,
electro glow wire, modulators, neon?
I'll throw in my two cents on modulators: I vote no. Having said that, I have one for sale in the classified section. See: http://stromtrooper.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7814
My ad explains why I don't like them, but if you decide to get one mine got only two weeks' use and is like new. Could save you a few $$.

Tim
 

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I LOVE the LEDS on your
v-strom and I did consider the
a pair of forward facing driving lights
(hella f50's)...but isn't that
all very expensive?



I am not to worried about rear endings.
The givi case I am putting on has brake lights.
And I am putting on red reflective stickers for extra
measure.



I have gotten some black stickers to.
http://www.streetglo.net/reflective.motorcycle.frame.kit.html

I was under the impression that
white and blue were the most visible colors
like it is with cars. Now I found that yellow is the most visible.
I sort of wish I got the bike in yellow (but I don't think that they make
the 2006 DL650 in that color do they lol). If I did I might have used
the black reflective tape above to make it look like a yellow jacket.



OK I know a black helmet is not such a great idea but
after trying on about 20 it was the only thing I could find that
would fit my extra small oval shaped head.
I did put on reflective stickers.

It's a work in progress. I am puting more on.

 

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Storm Girl said:
LEDs, reflective tape, a new paint color,
electro glow wire, modulators, neon?
I'll throw in my two cents on modulators: I vote no. Having said that, I have one for sale in the classified section. See: http://stromtrooper.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7814
My ad explains why I don't like them, but if you decide to get one mine got only two weeks' use and is like new. Could save you a few $$.

Tim
That is some thing to think about.
I need some time to read your link.
 

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I've noticed that having a hot girl on the back with her thong hanging out gets drivers attention. And if you have a hot girlfriend(or wife), its free.
 

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Doesn't sound ATGATT to me.
 

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WHITE is the number 1 attention getter. White helmets are best, and so are motorcycles. I HATE headlight modulators, they should only be for emergency or law enforcment vehicles. You can "try" to do all that you can to be visible to others. But IMHO...the safest practice is to simply ride as if you are invisible. Cagers usually see a motorcyclist before they turn in front of you.....but yet they still do it!!!! :wink: YOU as a rider have to be alert at all times......not a cager! My 2 cents!
 

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Ride as if I am invisible...that is how I ride.
I am boarding on the paranoid with that. I had a friend who
went down because some one opened there car door.

In the end I know all can do is try to
stack the deck in my favor as best I can and let
luck fall as it may.

I took a safety coerce to to brake my bad habits
from self teaching and to add on to my skill.


So white is best? Not yellow?


As far as having a hot girl on the back...that could
be arranged. lol I like all the candys in the box and
I have a bad sweet tooth.
 

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So white is best? Not yellow?
You got it....white is best! I read it in one of the moto mags, and even think I heard it mentioned on the speed channel.
 

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A study I once read said yellow but I did an Internet search and found no definitive answers. Light colored was the only common answer in studies of accidents. Part of the equation though is the idea that people who chose light colored helmets were more likely to be safety conscious and less likely to be involved in accidents. A recent study at http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/newsandupdates/bright_colors_motorcycle_study/
reported the following:

Surprisingly, the study found "no association between risk of crash related injury and the frontal colour of drivers' clothing or motorcycle." This is at odds with the Hurt Report (now a quarter-century old, but still the only comprehensive study of U.S. motorcycle accidents) that concluded just the opposite. However, the Hurt researchers did not identify helmet color as such a signficant accident-avoidance factor.
 
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FWITW Reflective Yellow or Orange

Icon has Reflective Safety Vests that are availalbe in both High Visibility Yellow and Orange.

Aerostitch and Whitehorse press have Yellow and Orange Arrows that go on the back of your helmet that are very reflective to drivers from the rear.

A second set of driving lights, mounted low on the fork legs (motolights or similiar) catch drivers attention as they approach you.

Good advise to "ride as if you are invisible" but give yourself a chance with extra lights and highly reflective clothing.

Ride Em


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all this reflective stuff is great for NIGHT TIME, however most of the crashes are in the DAY LIGHT.. I would say the BEST advice is to be alert and assume drivers don’t see you as others have said. Some drivers DO see you but pull out anyway because one they don’t judge the speed of a bike cause its small, or they don’t FEAR the bike because its small. It’s amazing how folks NEVER seem to pull out in front of me when I am driving my big 4x4 Suburban with its huge grill guard. In the military we are REQUIRED to have on a reflective vest or riding gear, I put reflectors on my riding coats as the alternative is to wear the vest over my jacket, and I would just rather put on the jacket as it actually protects me. Anyway I also think the hyper lights are a good idea to bring more attention to your rear when you are stopped at a light. As I had a good friend killed that way. BTW those Icon vests were designed for Miltary riders, they work great, however they offer NO Crash protection, so i basically cut up a reflective belt and sewed it on to my ridding jacket to make an ICON like riding coat, or you could just buy a reflective bright colerd riding jacke/coat. Mine was all black, now its black & yellow..
 

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My 2 cents

From my former life as a firefighter, the most visible color, day or night is the yellowish green used on some fire trucks. The one draw back is when they are under street lights that are of the orange hew, it nutralizes the color on the fire truck. Can't remember if it is iodine vaopr lights that have this affect or ??


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car color accidents
Here is something I found.
http://www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/CarColorAndSafety.pdf#search='best%20car%20color%20for%20visibility'

At night white is the most visible,
but lime yellow stands out better against
cloudy skies and snowy backdrops that dose white.
The color red is perceived as black
at night. Also, people have particularly
poor peripheral dection of red shades.
(Schuman 1991).



Here is another.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/printDS/2633

Picking a silver-colored car may reduce your odds of being hurt or killed in a crash, according to a New Zealand study in the British Medical Journal.

Drivers of brown, black and green vehicles had the worst odds in a study of 571 accidents that led to hospitalization or death in and around Auckland, New Zealand, in 1998 and 1999.

Silver-car drivers were half as likely to be in a serious crash as drivers of white cars, the most common vehicle color in the study, the University of Auckland researchers said. The researchers didn't explain why silver-colored cars were safer than those of other colors in the study. Earlier research has shown that white and light-colored cars are less likely to be involved in crashes, they said.

The AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety encourages the use of lime yellow for fire and rescue vehicles because of its high visibility, according to the U.S. group's Web site.

The study adjusted for factors including the driver's age, sex, educational level, seat-belt use, vehicle age, alcohol consumption in the previous six hours, weather and ambient light.





I can't find it now but the order of the most safest
colors in order if I took my notes corectly was
Silver.
White.
Light Ivory.
Aqua Blue.
Yellow (it's even better at night).
Pastell and Off White.
Signal Red.

Brown, Black and Green are the poorest

Im gathering form this that silver or
white (for the night) and lime yellow or yellow
(for cloudy skies and snowy backdrops)
is your best bet?

Some thing like this.



Reflective Yellow on tank and fairing. Reflective Black near headlight and on front fender.
 
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