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Hello everyone, before i start i know there are a number of threads re power commanders for the Vee however i have been riding for only a few years and am trying to get my head around all these things.

I have just traded my wee for a brand new vee and have noticed the fuel consumption difference. Somebody has suggested putting in a power commander and i would like some suggestions from the wider community of Vee and Wee riders.

All i am trying to do is improve my fuel economy and have been told this is the way to go.

I have been quoted $900 for supply and install from a suzuki dealer here in BrisVegas, any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated, before i head off on my trip.

Thanks heaps.
 

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Hello everyone, before i start i know there are a number of threads re power commanders for the Vee however i have been riding for only a few years and am trying to get my head around all these things.

I have just traded my wee for a brand new vee and have noticed the fuel consumption difference. Somebody has suggested putting in a power commander and i would like some suggestions from the wider community of Vee and Wee riders.

All i am trying to do is improve my fuel economy and have been told this is the way to go.

I have been quoted $900 for supply and install from a suzuki dealer here in BrisVegas, any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated, before i head off on my trip.

Thanks heaps.
Pete,do you intend putting after market pipes on the bike?--I would leave the thing as it was engineered by some pretty smart people--to spend a lot of money to possibly save you $50 on a long trip and something else to go wrong--I am no tech just my gut feeling.
 

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Hi Peter,
I've recently put a PC3 in my K3 DL1000. I bought it second hand for under $200 from a member here (thanks Glen - very happy), and installed it myself in about 15 minutes. Another 30 minutes or so to download a suitable map, and it was finished. I bought it to smooth out the roughness in the 2500 - 4000 rpm range, and haven't had a chance to see if it has affected my fuel consumption. $900 seems way too much to supply & install a new PC - installation is very easy, and if you can use a computer downloading maps isn't hard either. I can't imagine spending $900 to save a few mpg - you'd have to be doing a lot of miles to get your money back. Perhaps contact Blair from SV Racing in the US - he used to sell these.
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Thanks

Hi thanks for replying. Im thinking of leaving it along now. It may not be worth the money, i wasn't sure how many extra K's it would give me anyway.

Can i ask another question what do you mean by "maps"?

Thanks again.
Hi Peter,
I've recently put a PC3 in my K3 DL1000. I bought it second hand for under $200 from a member here (thanks Glen - very happy), and installed it myself in about 15 minutes. Another 30 minutes or so to download a suitable map, and it was finished. I bought it to smooth out the roughness in the 2500 - 4000 rpm range, and haven't had a chance to see if it has affected my fuel consumption. $900 seems way too much to supply & install a new PC - installation is very easy, and if you can use a computer downloading maps isn't hard either. I can't imagine spending $900 to save a few mpg - you'd have to be doing a lot of miles to get your money back. Perhaps contact Blair from SV Racing in the US - he used to sell these.
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Thanks mate, depending if anyone else posts i might just leave it along.

Thanks for getting back to me.

Pete,do you intend putting after market pipes on the bike?--I would leave the thing as it was engineered by some pretty smart people--to spend a lot of money to possibly save you $50 on a long trip and something else to go wrong--I am no tech just my gut feeling.
 

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I would have to assume that for your 900bucks it would be getting some dyno time to tune the PC with a map to suit your bike.
Also consider a "teka" or "Yosh box" tune where they can slightly modify you existing map in the std ECU.
Springwood Suzuki could do this for you, not sure of the price tho.
Cheers brian
 

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Yosh Box

Hi mate, please excuse my ignorance what is the Yosh Box, i have seen this a few times now, as i said I'm still learning.

I got the quote from Sringwood Suzuki, thats where i always go.

Is this something they can do automatically if asked?

Thanks heaps
I would have to assume that for your 900bucks it would be getting some dyno time to tune the PC with a map to suit your bike.
Also consider a "teka" or "Yosh box" tune where they can slightly modify you existing map in the std ECU.
Springwood Suzuki could do this for you, not sure of the price tho.
Cheers brian
 

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Hi mate, please excuse my ignorance what is the Yosh Box, i have seen this a few times now, as i said I'm still learning.

I got the quote from Sringwood Suzuki, thats where i always go.

Is this something they can do automatically if asked?

Thanks heaps
Pete,google "what is engine mapping" and you will get a good idea of computerized engine management,it far to big a philosophy to post here.:yesnod:
 

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Hi thanks for replying. Im thinking of leaving it along now. It may not be worth the money, i wasn't sure how many extra K's it would give me anyway.

Can i ask another question what do you mean by "maps"?

Thanks again.
"Maps" in simple terms is the different fuel delivery/EFI curves programmed into the commander, eg sport/cruising/commuting "modes" rich/middle/lean fuel delivery. (of couse there a lot more to it than that)... IMHO the Strom is not the sort of bike you spend that amount of dollars to get a small performance improvement, if you have a sports bike eg GSXR or Ninja or Hyabusa then go down the power commander path.
As you said "All i am trying to do is improve my fuel economy" then things like reducing weight, correct tyre presure, keeping air filters clean and the bike well tuned (carbies synced) will probably give you a better overall milage. The small improvent from a cruising map on a power commander may not be the km solution your looking for per $$$. You stepped up to a Vee so youll never get the fuel economy of the Wee.
This is only my opinion regarding this particular bike, not on power commanders as a performance mod, on the right bike/engine they are great. Maybe someone who has one on a Vee can supply some road proven or dyno figures and change my mind.
 

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Can't compare

Yeah thanks heaps, I understand I can not compare the two bikes. I think I will leave it alone.

"Maps" in simple terms is the different fuel delivery/EFI curves programmed into the commander, eg sport/cruising/commuting "modes" rich/middle/lean fuel delivery. (of couse there a lot more to it than that)... IMHO the Strom is not the sort of bike you spend that amount of dollars to get a small performance improvement, if you have a sports bike eg GSXR or Ninja or Hyabusa then go down the power commander path.
As you said "All i am trying to do is improve my fuel economy" then things like reducing weight, correct tyre presure, keeping air filters clean and the bike well tuned (carbies synced) will probably give you a better overall milage. The small improvent from a cruising map on a power commander may not be the km solution your looking for per $$$. You stepped up to a Vee so youll never get the fuel economy of the Wee.
This is only my opinion regarding this particular bike, not on power commanders as a performance mod, on the right bike/engine they are great. Maybe someone who has one on a Vee can supply some road proven or dyno figures and change my mind.
 

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Yeah thanks heaps, I understand I can not compare the two bikes. I think I will leave it alone.
You will not get a better reply than that of ML's Pete,If you are like myself and just enjoy the ride then enjoy,some of if not most of the top end sports bikes have switchable mapping these days and you really don't need to go to the shops for a loaf of bread in track mode.:yesnod:
 

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The biggest saving you will get regarding fuel economy lies in how you use your right hand. :fineprint:

I had a PC on an R1150GS I bought [didn't know it was on there].
The bike guzzled fuel on a trip to Melbourne, might as well have been driving a V8 :headbang:
BMW specialist down there couldn't fix the problem and didn't spot the PC either :furious:

Got it back to Sydney and the local specialist found the problem and fixed it.
But what a way to stuff up a 2500km ride :headbang:

Leave the bike stock and just make sure it is tuned right, the DL1000 is a good bike, just not as frugal as the Wee.

You want the extra go so it costs you a few cents more per km, no biggie and it will take a long time to add up to $900 worth of "a few cents more".

Just ride it and enjoy it. :yesnod:
 

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Hi mate, please excuse my ignorance what is the Yosh Box, i have seen this a few times now, as i said I'm still learning.

I got the quote from Sringwood Suzuki, thats where i always go.

Is this something they can do automatically if asked?

Thanks heaps
With a Yosh box or teka tune it is able to slightly modify a few certain parametres ( + or - a few pecent at a few places on the map ) of the tune in the original ECU by plugging in a "box" in to the unit while tuning. Compared to the PC where it is permantly wired into the bikes wiring and acts as a piggyback to the ECU and modifies the signal from the ECU to affect the tune.
HTH
Probably the best thing to do for fuel economy is to modify your riding style to suit the bikes performance. ( saying this I dont own either a Vee or Wee yet but have a fair bit of experience with the SV 1000 & 650 :thumbup: )
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Yeah thanks heaps, I understand I can not compare the two bikes. I think I will leave it alone.
Sounds good, hope your enjoying the extra grunt :) one day I might swap my wee for a vee too.
The SV is a totally different and smaller bike chassis wrapped around the same motor also with different tuning and ratio's, its worth the $$ playing with tuning and exhausts on an SV !
Some other bikes tuned up on this clip, enjoy...

The Best Video of TT ISLE OF MAN Ever !!! - Part 2 - YouTube
 

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My 2 bobs worth comes from experience. I have a PC3 fitted to my K8 vee. The fitting and supply charge you were quoted seems fair. These things can be just installed -and a map added so 'plug and play'.
I believe the 'correct way' is to have the bike Dyno tuned, Jamie from Bikecare in Newcastle did mine and allowed me to watch. It is a time consuming process. The bike now uses more fuel. The performance did not seem to noticably increase. The bike does not cough off idle as much as it used to-but still does rarely.
I had modified my exhaust and air filter, so now my bike is tuned to that.
My mates standard tuned V with staintune pipes seems to go the same but uses less fuel.
Does that answer the question and help the decision?
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I have a PC111 also and put it on to smooth things out and have noticed no extra power or fuel consumption change. I seem to get my best mileage 2up and sitting on 110km. I did not buy a litre bike to save on fuel tho! Best 2 things I did to my bike were TRE and fork brace.
 
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