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I'm sure there is already a thread on this question here but I could not find it, please send me the link if possible.

If not I'd appreciate your insights.

I'm looking to replace my '09 Wee with a more powerful/comfortable adventure/tourer and my sights we set on the improved V2. But then for about the same price I saw the improved Tiger 800 was available.

I rented a 2013 tiger for the day last March in Vegas and put about 500 miles on it through Oatman and the Mohave dessert etc.

The bike seemed to be a bit more maneuverable than the Wee and WOW did that engine impress, and they've made improvements for the 2015 model year.

The bike will be used about 80/20 pavement/fire roads.

When I do my multi day rides I typically ride 5-600 miles/day and spend 12-14 hrs on the bike so I like comfort and canyon carving with some throttle twisting fun.

I've looked for comparison reviews of both bikes on Google but there are very few. There is one on you tube but the language is Italian I think :frown2:

Reliability is a concern for me as I live in a town with a Suzuki dealer and no triumph support, but I would not take my bike to the Suzuki dealer as they are hacks and I have not found a reliable bike mechanic, and I'm not good with any thing more than oil changes.

The local Zuk dealer does not allow test rides.

The bikes seem similar for fuel economy, with the V2 having .3 of a gallon more, not a big deal for me.

I like that the Tiger is about 25lbs lighter.

I'm 5'9" with a 32" inseam.

So if anyone has some real world advice to help me decide I'd be very appreciative!
 

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I had a tiger800 before my vee2 and tested a xrx last week. Things I like about the tiger r the light weight and low speed riding. Its 20 kg lighter and u can ride it in 6th gear at 30mph. Things I don't like are the brakes, weak two up, suspension, harsh and the busy engine at speed on motorway. The improvements on the xrx r not much better. You get riding mods, tc etc but they never changed the things they needed to. Better brakes, less damped suspension and the 100/90 front tyre. So while I liked the xrx I like the vee2 more. Then the dealer said he didn't want my v strom as a trade in anyway!
 

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600 miles days require a comfortable bike and the Vee2 is comfortable. ...and with the money you can save on a Vee2 you can increase the comfort even more (e.g., airflow windscreen, Shad Comfort Seat). An aftermarket muffler and collector bring the Vee2 within about two pounds of the DL650. The Vee2 also performs well on fire roads. Much better than any of the previous V-Stroms. I can imagine the Tiger might do better off pavement, but would you want to do 600 mile days on it?

The Vee2 also seems to be very reliable. The major systemic issues with the old Vee don't seem to be present.
 

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The strom is heavier by a good bit and the low speed running is bad, on mine at least. But the brakes r much better and the suspension is better to. Mpg is better on strom to and range but not by much. Its better on the motorway as engine revs much lower at motorway speed. Comfort is similar, both have crap seats, pillion comfort better on vee2.
So I'd say as a weekend touring bike the suzuki is better but if you ride every day in traffic it might drive you nuts so for commuting and off road the tiger has it. Test ride both. Hope this helps
Ps.and contrary to popular belief my vee2 has left me stranded twice this year and my tiger never in three years!
 

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I can't give an opinion as to riding a Tiger 800, but the V2 would be hard to beat price wise. A 2014 can be had in the $8000 range, which is great value. I'll go out on a limb, and boast, it's more reliable and easier to find a dealer.
Triumph parts are much higher priced, used or new. I've owned a V2 for almost a year now and along with a 10,000 mile trip have put 13,000 miles total on it, and it has not seen the dealership since it left. I also have a 2012 VStrom with 24,000 on it, that also hasn't seen the dealership.
If money isn't an issue, the Triumph, won't let you down. They are smooth and handle well in stock condition. There is also a greater selection of aftermarket farkels then the V2.
If money is not so easy to come by, the stock V2 will have you smiling across both ends of your chin strap.
 

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FWIW Tigers (at least the Aust delivered models) are built in Malaysia? or some such place, I believe the V2 is still built in Japan, Tigers here deteriorate rapidly have corrosion/warranty issues. I have ridden a friends 800XC and the engine is sooo smoooth and seems to have enough power, however the seat and suspension were hard,the screen was worse than beiing on a naked bike, and the bike just felt cheap.
Granted it did feel light! but that 21" front wheel was a bitch to turn into corners and I had sore arms the next day. Having wire wheels was a PITA as 2 flat tyres on two consecutive rides could not be repaired (by most riders) at the roadside, where as the tubeless radials on mt [email protected] can be repaired in minutes under normal conditions. This was one reason I chose a "soft" roader and got the V2
We see lots of tigers and they certainly look good and are capable! Personally I dont like the cheap feel and corrosion- they age quickly.I dont think they offer enough quality for the asking price.Get one, thrash it before it falls apart and corrodes anyway and be prepared to have a tired looking bike either way after 2 years.
I.m maybe 5' 6' and slight build, I have loaded up the V2 with crash bars,engine guard,centerstand top box etc and find the V2 very light and stable whilst moving, sooo easy to do lock to lock feet up u turns etc, yep its high n heavy to move around the garage but we didnt buy it to push around the garage! on the move I just consider the extra low down weight to add stability :)
I suggest due to you primarily road based riding - as is ours- that the V2 will have you less fatigued at the end of the day, the engine is much less "busy" than the humming buzzing Triple.
My $0.02

I have just realised you were asking about the XR, sorry I dont know if it has Spoked or cast wheels or if 21 or 19" please disregard any erroneous comments and accept my apologies.
 

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the low speed running is bad, on mine at least
Not on mine. Smooth at all speeds.
 

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No slow speed running issues with ours either. 2015 model 2300miles.
 

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Wow you guys are awesome, thanks also for the link to the other 3 pages of rider comparisons.

I'm pretty compliant when it comes to bike ergonomics/performance having riden my '96 DR350 from northern Canada to do the Washinton Backroad Discovery ride, and this year I rode the Idaho Backroads Discovery route on a stock CB500x (except for the Shinko 705 rear tire and Rally Raid skid plate). I rode the '09 Wee to Mexico this spring on a 41 day ride, also been to the YK and AK with it. I've also put 75k on my '05 Vulcan and another 15k on my '08 Bandit.

All that to say I'd probably be happy on either the DL or the Tiger (also more advanced bikes than what I've riden in the past), what is more important to me is reliability and ease of service if I have a problem and for that the DL wins out.

I had pretty much made my mind up to go with the V2, but something inside me stirs when I remember what that Tiger motor felt/sounded like especially compared to the beige feeling I got when I rode my Wee, mind you on the way back from MX I got behind a sport bike coming into Prescott AZ from the south (boy I love that twisty sucker) and I got the Wee into a curvy groove and the sporty gave up and let me pass! So I'm pretty sure the 1000cc's will keep me in the happy zone.


Take care and thanks again.
 

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I have also been thinking this way but have also included the KTM 1050 Adventure on my list. Compared to its big brother the 1050 has lower seat height because of less suspension travel, cast wheels with 19" front and tubeless tires. Side by side it looks very similar in size and seat height to the 1000 V2 but with quality suspension and brakes, power and traction modes and a 23 litre (6.1 gal) tank. Same price as the Triumph XRX/XCX.
I am waiting to find an owners long term review for an opinion on reliability as those Suzuki's are just so damn reliable.
 

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I have also been thinking this way but have also included the KTM 1050 Adventure on my list. Compared to its big brother the 1050 has lower seat height because of less suspension travel, cast wheels with 19" front and tubeless tires. Side by side it looks very similar in size and seat height to the 1000 V2 but with quality suspension and brakes, power and traction modes and a 23 litre (6.1 gal) tank. Same price as the Triumph XRX/XCX.
I am waiting to find an owners long term review for an opinion on reliability as those Suzuki's are just so damn reliable.
I think you'll find the suspension on the V2 to be very good. It just doesn't have a 'top brand' name on it. Brakes are excellent and TC as well. No power modes though
 

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I think you'll find the suspension on the V2 to be very good. It just doesn't have a 'top brand' name on it. Brakes are excellent and TC as well. No power modes though
ABS and TC are excellent on the V2 :)
KTM's are amazing bikes - if you can ever get to ride them, over here they have a shocking reputation for warranty/reliabilty
issues..
KTM- "ride Sunday -$pend Monday"
 

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I don't find the need for power modes on this bike. The power delivery is very tame, you are unlikely to get yourself into trouble by applying to much throttle on this bike. The front wheel will come up very easy in first gear with traction control off, but it wont come up at all with TC2 on.

Regarding the Tiger that's the bike I originally wanted but I just couldn't justify the price difference to go down to an 800cc bike. After hearing one at a vstrom rally I am glad I made that decision, I can't stand the sound of them.
 

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I don't find the need for power modes on this bike. The power delivery is very tame, you are unlikely to get yourself into trouble by applying to much throttle on this bike. The front wheel will come up very easy in first gear with traction control off, but it wont come up at all with TC2 on.
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My front wheel "pogos" when I crank it in first. The wheel comes off the ground, the front wheel slows down, the TC backs off the power and the wheel comes down and it repeats itself. Kind of funny to experience but I'm sure it looks goofy.

..Tom
 

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I was also interested in the Triumph 800 until I took a good look at the bike at the dealership.

The rear frame of the bike is not a separate subframe as on the V2 or 1200GS. Also, the pillion pegs are welded to the frame and not bolted on, like the V2.

This means that, if you put the bike down and bend the rear frame or pillion peg, your insurance may write off the bike as there is no easy frame fix. Silly, but a distinct possibility.

Another factor is the very limited dealer network in North America. For me though, it was the fact the the local dealer could suck-start a leaf blower, they are so bad.
 

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Here in the uk some vee2 have low speed running issues. Some folk r getting new ecu's, I don't seem to one of them so I thought sod it im back to triumph. But after riding the 800 xrx I'll stick to the vee2. Its still got the harsh suspension, weak front brakes and to low a top gear the old tiger800 had that I rode for 3 years. The new gearbox was lovely but all the other stuff a waste of time. And its a grand more than the strom.
 
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