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after I watch below video I pulled the trigger and ordered red 650xt 2019.
Was swinging from 1000xt to 650xt back and forth but finally common sense won.

 

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Wow pretty neat vid, and I'm sure you will love your new Strom, but I'd choose my off-roading carefully on the Strom. I had an XR650L which was the opposite end of the spectrum from the Strom in regard to dirt/vs street, and even that was a LOT of motorcycle to throw around when it came to deeper mud or loose deep sand. I learned to just pick a path and gun it on the XR, but it had a lot more ground clearance suspension and was about 150lbs lighter. The power of the 650 is impressive compared to the XR650 though, not nearly as much low end torque but they have a wide powerband and I would imagine they would climb about any hill provided traction was an issue. Good luck with the new Strom
 

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Yup. I've mounted several sets of the Shinko 804/805 on my Strom and they work really well off-road. The Strom works well in the conditions shown in the video--dry and pretty smooth two-track--but gets to be a handful if things get technical or muddy. Weight, budget suspension, and lack of clearance becomes a major issue!
 

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This is a fun video. The thing to realize about all these "your vstrom is capable" videos is that it's really a "this rider is capable" video. That rider could probably do those same things on that bike with road tires, a gen 1 DL1000, an SV, a 70's GS, a Maurauder, or a DR. Maybe each wouldn't perform quite as well as some others, but in the video you wouldn't even notice a difference.
 

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This is a fun video. The thing to realize about all these "your vstrom is capable" videos is that it's really a "this rider is capable" video. That rider could probably do those same things on that bike with road tires, a gen 1 DL1000, an SV, a 70's GS, a Maurauder, or a DR. Maybe each wouldn't perform quite as well as some others, but in the video you wouldn't even notice a difference.
agree, tires and rider skill are the main factors and of course the weight will always work against you off road.
 

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This is a fun video. The thing to realize about all these "your vstrom is capable" videos is that it's really a "this rider is capable" video. That rider could probably do those same things on that bike with road tires, a gen 1 DL1000, an SV, a 70's GS, a Maurauder, or a DR. Maybe each wouldn't perform quite as well as some others, but in the video you wouldn't even notice a difference.
Not to mention the rider in a promo vid doesn't risk anything other than injury shooting a vid like that. If he crashes and the bike sustains damage no loss to him, give him another bike and take 2:wink2: If I just plopped 9-12K down on a new one, I don't think I'd be tearing up any single track with off road obstacles. Cruise it anywhere within your riding comfort and you should be okay, but at nearly 500lbs, its not as easy to toss around. You pretty much point the bike where you want to go and hope on the bigger bikes, cant toss them around very easy and make last second corrections.
 

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agree, tires and rider skill are the main factors and of course the weight will always work against you off road.
Plenty of videos like this of people with street tires, and very heavy bikes. I bet that rider could do this on a goldwing with worn out street tires.

Yes, tires, weight, ground clearance, and suspension do all make a difference, and do make a difference in learning those skills as well, but people touting videos of bikes doing things really means nothing more than the video has a skilled rider.

Someone recently posted about doing a track day with Shinko 705s. IMHO that is a similar thing. Can it be done? Yes for sure. Can it do it well in the right hands? Also yes. Should it be done? That's up to the person doing it.
 

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You could still shed a bunch of weight, maybe up suspension travel 1" too.

Better shocks and forks would have done even better!

I would have been up for this 15 years ago. :var_17:
 

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yeah, this shows only that skills matter, that's why we should practice each day :)
Bike classifications are just for marketing and sales purposes.
Been riding in Morocco mountains rocky trail on nc750x with some guys on F800GS and Africa Twin
and guess what? some locals were passing us uphill on old scooters...
 
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