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Has anybody else taken notice of all the close calls and crashes being reported in this forum? In my area the news seems to report a motorcycle fatality almost every day. I'm not willing to stop riding, even after my big crash. But these people on the roads are nuttier than ever.

Why? Here's a few opinionated guesses on my part......

1. Roads are in terrible shape.
2. Cell phones.
3. Young drivers no longer receive any formal driver's ed training.
4. Cops are dedicated to the war on drugs and not on traffic enforcement.
5. A general "I don't care about anybody but myself!" attitude in society.

What's your ideas?
 
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Hell Cap,

Here in LA its damn near a daily occurance. Tuesday I had 30 miles left after returning from a 450 mile south bound run when some asshat text messaging on the Freeway almost sidswiped me in the carpool lane. I gave him a boot to the door and the finger, then powered off down the freeway. I'm holding steady at 6 times almost being hit while stopped at intersections in the last four months, and I finally stopped counting people trying to turn in front of me (right or left). let's face it, the retard cagers either don't see us, or don't care. Either way the only way to win is to watch their driving as much (or more) than your own. Never assume they will see you, or stop for you. The other part of this is don't ride scared. Fear will kill you just as quick as a stupid cager. Know how to ride and ride hard.
 

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Has anybody else taken notice of all the close calls and crashes being reported in this forum? In my area the news seems to report a motorcycle fatality almost every day. I'm not willing to stop riding, even after my big crash. But these people on the roads are nuttier than ever.

Why? Here's a few opinionated guesses on my part......

1. Roads are in terrible shape.
2. Cell phones.
3. Young drivers no longer receive any formal driver's ed training.
4. Cops are dedicated to the war on drugs and not on traffic enforcement.
5. A general "I don't care about anybody but myself!" attitude in society.

What's your ideas?
Same here in Finland, only exception in part 4. That should read; Cops are dedicated to the war on speeding traffic, (We have a campaign here, drive even 1kph over limit and you get a ticket).
 

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Has anybody else taken notice of all the close calls and crashes being reported in this forum? In my area the news seems to report a motorcycle fatality almost every day. I'm not willing to stop riding, even after my big crash. But these people on the roads are nuttier than ever.

Why? Here's a few opinionated guesses on my part......

1. Roads are in terrible shape.
2. Cell phones.
3. Young drivers no longer receive any formal driver's ed training.
4. Cops are dedicated to the war on drugs and not on traffic enforcement.
5. A general "I don't care about anybody but myself!" attitude in society.

What's your ideas?
1. Have you been to PA lately.
2. Yup.
3. No formal drivers ed., but there is a 6 month permit program where a parent needs to be with them whenever they are driving.
4. Or sleeping in construction areas collecting overtime.
5. Yup.
 

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Same here in Finland, only exception in part 4. That should read; Cops are dedicated to the war on speeding traffic, (We have a campaign here, drive even 1kph over limit and you get a ticket).
I was once stopped for speeding in Sweeden while doing 60kph over the limit. I was driving a German plated vehicle, speaking english, and using an international drivers license. That was certainly an exciting day that I won't soon forget. It was explained to me that exceeding the limit by 30 kph was a big deal and that I was going so fast they had no idea whet to do with me. I spent the entire day at the police station dealing with a special magistrate, an interpreter, and many swedish police officers. At one point they wanted to take the vehicle, but changed their minds when they found out it was a rental. In the end I paid what they considered to be a large fine and was offerd an escort out of the country. Since I was trying to get to Norway when I was stopped, I declined the escort offer and quicky left the station. I still have the ticket and a reminder of the occasion. I had been driving for 5 years in Germany when I was stopped in Sweden. Apparently I forgot that not all countries have no speed limits.:D Ah..... the good old days.....


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I was once stopped for speeding in Sweeden while doing 60kph over the limit. I was driving a German plated vehicle, speaking english, and using an international drivers license. That was certainly an exciting day that I won't soon forget. It was explained to me that exceeding the limit by 30 kph was a big deal and that I was going so fast they had no idea whet to do with me. I spent the entire day at the police station dealing with a special magistrate, an interpreter, and many swedish police officers. At one point they wanted to take the vehicle, but changed their minds when they found out it was a rental. In the end I paid what they considered to be a large fine and was offerd an escort out of the country. Since I was trying to get to Norway when I was stopped, I declined the escort offer and quicky left the station. I still have the ticket and a reminder of the behave nicsentensoccasion. I had been driving for 5 years in Germany when I was stopped in Sweden. Apparently I forgot that not all countries have no speed limits.:D Ah..... the good old days.....


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In Finland if you rape a kid you get less jail time than doing 120mph in highway, in fact, you have to kill someone, murder someone, and you get the maximum sentence 12 years in prison. If you behave nicely, you do half of it and then you are free.

And plus side is that, we have THE most comfortable prisons in the world, those are like hotels, in winter time people do crimes to get in.
 

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What we love to do is for sure a risk. But just try to ride as if you are invisible, and assume that somebody will pull out in front of you. I agree that a vast majority of people in cars these days, are serious asshats. Wayyyyyyyy too many distractions for people in cars these days, and there is a big "I own the road mentality". Just be careful out there!!!!!! I personally try to avoid people and cars all together, I can't always do that but I try to distance myself from cages.
 

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I agree pretty much on everything that has been said, but cagers seem to notice me more on this bike than my last bike, an old CB900 Custom. Anybody else have that feeling? My theory is it's the headlights or maybe the height/size of the bike. I don't think the drivers around here are getting better or more attentive. They don't pull out in front of me as much, or turn in front of me as often, and everytime they are fixing to, they suddenly stop like they seen me at the last second, in the past, they just kept going, like I wasn't even there. I don't think it is my imagination but don't worry, I am not letting my guard down!
 

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Has anybody else taken notice of all the close calls and crashes being reported in this forum? In my area the news seems to report a motorcycle fatality almost every day. I'm not willing to stop riding, even after my big crash. But these people on the roads are nuttier than ever.

Why? Here's a few opinionated guesses on my part......

1. Roads are in terrible shape.
2. Cell phones.
3. Young drivers no longer receive any formal driver's ed training.
4. Cops are dedicated to the war on drugs and not on traffic enforcement.
5. A general "I don't care about anybody but myself!" attitude in society.

What's your ideas?

Firecaptp,

I'm fairly recent to joining the forum so I can't tell you that there is any increase or not being posted. I CAN definitely confirm that CELL PHONES are a huge culprit. No, not the phones, the people that use them while driving.

Start keeping mental notes as I have been since last summer and when you see someone "not seeing" in traffic, see if you can see a cell phone in their hand.

I really did start paying attention to it last year and it's a big percentage.....I
I'd be will to throw out a guess of 85% or higher. I don't count the "point and drive" people (which is the same as #5 above) that we have in the DC suburbs. I'm only watching the "didn't see till the last second and had to slam on the brakes" people. It also includes the "I change lanes while I talk on the phone" people.

Go ahead guys and start paying attention....you'll no doubt, see the same thing that I'm seeing. I only ride to work one day a week or so and other then that, most all of my riding is 2-up. So last year, I starting watching while driving my car or suv....and it's abominable the number of people that are paying attention to the phone rather then traffic while they drive around in a 1 to 3 ton car or SUV. I honestly can't wait till cell phones are outlawed while driving here.

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I agree pretty much on everything that has been said, but cagers seem to notice me more on this bike than my last bike, an old CB900 Custom. Anybody else have that feeling? My theory is it's the headlights or maybe the height/size of the bike. I don't think the drivers around here are getting better or more attentive. They don't pull out in front of me as much, or turn in front of me as often, and everytime they are fixing to, they suddenly stop like they seen me at the last second, in the past, they just kept going, like I wasn't even there. I don't think it is my imagination but don't worry, I am not letting my guard down!
I've noticed the same thing since switching from my Honda to the strom. I think it's the size and power of the headlights. I always drive on high beam and don't switch until it's almost completely dark outside. Last week I was on the wee and my wife was comimng the other way in the van. She said she saw my lights from quite far away and knew it was me by the shape and brightness of the lights.

I can't make the cagers any smarter so I try to make myself more visable and always try to anticipate and expect the worse and look for an escape route, especially when approaching intersections. Simple things like covering the brakes when approaching traffic and intersections can save you some big problems. I also try to practice panic stops at least once a week. I figure it's just a matter of time until some blue haired old gal on her way to the hairdressers runs a stop sign and tries to run me down.

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In Finland if you rape a kid you get less jail time than doing 120mph in highway, in fact, you have to kill someone, murder someone, and you get the maximum sentence 12 years in prison. If you behave nicely, you do half of it and then you are free.

And plus side is that, we have THE most comfortable prisons in the world, those are like hotels, in winter time people do crimes to get in.
I saw a really strange accident in Finland in 1991. The road was completely straight for miles and somehow two cars managed to hit each other head on right on the centerline. It was like they were aiming at each other. There was no other traffic around, just this big mangled mess of metal. I don't suppose slowing down helps much if you don't know how to drive. Speed doesn't kill, stupid people do :)

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Earlier this evening I was passenger in a car on the 3 lane "expressway" through Evansville, IN. A Harley dresser, two up passed us on the right then a girl in a Dodge Insipid blew past us in the right lane. From the passenger side of the RAV4 I was in, I could see her texting like mad. She came up behind the Harley and had to get on the brakes pretty hard going into a construction area which the Harley had slowed for. At the next light, her still behind them, I rolled down the window from alongside and let the Harley couple know what was right behind them. Hopefully it helped. I know she gave me a dirty look as I was pointing at her.
 

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I have to agree with Jeff about the cellphone being a huge part of the problem. Every study ever done suggests that talking while driving (hands free or not) is just as bad as being under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Yet 'we' put up with it because in peoples minds, phones are 'good' and alcohol is bad. Or because it is considered unenforceable, or too many people are under the delusion that they are capable of driving while talking (it's always other people that can't!). Complacency just needs to end..
 
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I still don't understand why anyone would type a message on a PHONE! Call 'em you stupid sh#t!
 

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It all boils down to a few things.........

Cell Phones...lots of preoccupied drivers (especially young preoccupied)
Too many Volvos.....We all know the worlds worse drivers buy and attempt to drive Volvos (and their other car is a mini-van)

The scariest thing to me is a Volvo driver on a cell phone, having just gone through a McDonalds drive thru with a "child on board" sign in the window........I usually pull off the road and wait for them to get at least two miles away....:)
 

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Just a theory but I wonder if all the supercharged Espresso has something to do with the speeding and jerky/flity driving habits. I don't think some drivers know when they hit their limit with the caffiene. Sometimes if I'm maybe a millisecond too slow in leaving a light I'll get a BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!! from the car behind me and the hands-up gesture. I have a cup of coffee to keep me awake on a long night drive but geez I don't need the stuff all day long so I'm in hyperdrive all day. And at least in our case here in eastern Wa and N Idaho, folks from some of the big cities that are moving here have brought along with them their less-than-desireable driving skills.

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