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Hi, I´d like to hear if anyone, who´s familiar with the Wee, has experience about the new 700 Transalp, or the new 2-cylinder 650GS? And if so, how would you compare either of these new bikes against the Wee?

The Beemer might have a bit more torque because its actually an 800 (and why they dont call it that way, makes no sense to me!!).... but are there any other areas, where the DL might suffer against these 2?

Im going to test-ride them both when I get to it, but just wondering how others might feel about these new "challengers" (I think thats what they both are, as the Wee, in my view, has been the leader in this class for several years).

My riding is normally 90% street, 9% gravel, only 1% offroad, so I think how they will get along in deep sand or mud will not be so important, for me its more about how they will perform in normal street riding in town or the twisties, or touring with a lot of weight on board.
 

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I've had a testride of the new Transalp 700 (twice) and also the V-strom, along with the Versys - see my post on this forum (V-curious).

I'm a big fan of Transalps and Hondas in general and was very surprised when I came to the conclusion that the V-storm was the best bike of the three - I only took a testride of the V-strom by chance.

The Honda definately has the edge offroad, feeling narrower and it felt a bit more balanced than the V-strom - and has better tyres and wire wheels.

I've not ridden the new BMW F650, but did have a seat on one at a motorcycle show. It's quite a nice bike but I didn't feel it had the build quality of the Honda or the presence of the V-strom. I'm not a huge fan of BMW and their build quality isn't what it was - according to various sources on the internet.

For hauling luggage there's only one winner, it has to be the V-strom, it got by far the best fairing, although the standard screen isn't so good. It's also the most fun to ride.

In terms of engine performance I don't know about the BMW, but the V-strom definately has a better engine than the Honda, even though it has less CC.

In summary, I'd probably by the V-strom, but wouldn't be unhappy with the Transalp. I wouldn't buy the BMW, although the F800GS is another question ;) if I was rich!
 

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"The Honda definately has the edge offroad, feeling narrower and it felt a bit more balanced than the V-strom - and has better tyres and wire wheels"

Sorry, I thought the DL650 and XL700 now have same tyre sizes, or am I wrong? And does the XL still use tube type tyres (I would think so, because of wire wheels)?

The DL´s cast wheels are tough, and wont require any maintenance unless you manage to bend them out of shape, but that will really take an effort. And tubeless tyre are more easily fixed on the road.
 

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You're right both bikes run with a 19" front wheel, so in theory you could put similar tyres on them. Although I didn't ride either off road I did feel that the XL700 was easier to ride a low speeds and felt less top heavy than the V-strom at those speeds. I'd definately prefer the Honda for offroad work, despite it being as heavy, if not heavier than the V-strom. But overall the V-strom just felt more complete and fun to ride on the road.

Interesting test in MCN this week, Transalp vs. GS1200 and GS800. The Transalp didn't do too well in that one, but I think it's a bit unfair since the BMW are a LOT more expensive than the Honda (the 800 is probably 50% more expensive if you include extras and discounts, the 1200 nearly twice the price). Shame they didn't test the Wee, since it even cheaper than the Honda and in my opinion a better bike. But the test does point to the GS650 being a good bike, so might be worth considering if you can get a testride - this is no good for me since I have lots of Honda and Suzuki dealers near me, but no BMW dealers! The GS650 is only slighty more expensive than the V-strom and TA, here in the UK.
 

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I dont think many people wonder whether they should get a Transalp or a 1200GS. Even the 800 in my country is way more expensive than the Honda.

The "650" (which is really 800, too) is almost the same price, so thats a very interesting model. Its fairing doesnt look like a match to the Honda, nevermind the Suzuki. And one front disc is cheap-ish, but otherwise it could be an excellent allrounder.

Will get to try the Transalp within a week, hopefully the BMW soon, too.
 

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It's funny but the price of bikes dose vary around the world a LOT . In Europe Japanese bikes are dearer than they should be ,must be to keep BMW etc in buisness,so there must be an inport duty or something . Any comparision is influnced by price,so in reading reports from around the world this should be considered . an example is European tests of FJR ,Kawaski 1400 ,BMW 1200GT . In europe I believe they are within 10-15% in price . In Australia the FJR and the Kawasaki can be had for around $20,000 ,the BMW is about $32,000 . BIG difference. A Vstrom is about $10,500 in downunder a BMW 1200 GS is $27,000.

I do not think the Translap is as good as the Vstrom, the BMW is a question as it is only new . If I had to choose I would look at a second hand Vstrom as you get better value in a second hand bike and can sell it for little loss if you do not like it as they hold there value well. If the Translap or BMW prove to be unpopular you may loose a lot if try and sell it .Lots of luck if they get a bad name for a common fault.
 
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