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Anyone notice that this bike is geared low enough you don't really need to rev it much between gear shifts, when driving around town on level roads? Also a big difference in gas mileage compared to revving the gears out a bit. Ive come to the conclusion that the stator probably lasts long and the fuel mileage is exceptional if you shift as early as possible (unless you need passing power,etc.)
 

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Anyone notice that this bike is geared low enough you don't really need to rev it much between gear shifts, when driving around town on level roads? Also a big difference in gas mileage compared to revving the gears out a bit. Ive come to the conclusion that the stator probably lasts long and the fuel mileage is exceptional if you shift as early as possible (unless you need passing power,etc.)

What fun is that?
 

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That is true that it takes the fun out and the Wee is lively without luggage and taken and held in it's power zone.
On the other hand it's got enough torque that unlike the smaller inline fours - it will still pull without shifting in the lower gears at least

One thing I like about my CBF1000 is the way Honda modified the torque curve from the Fireblade version so from 3k up there is a smooth rush ....I imagine the Vee is similar.

The Wee is really a Swiss army bike and it can do a lot of things very well from canyon carving to pack mule.
 
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According to the owners manual, the ratio in the transmission is the same as my SV, however the final drive is 15/47 as opposed to 15/45 for the SV. I never tried other sprocket combinations on my SV, but obviously the extra 2 teeth in the rear make for a snappier throttle response. I really like the way I can get more drive out of corners without downshifting, and in city traffic can let the rpms get a bit lower.
 

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Both the Wee and the Vee could both do with an 8 speed box. Before you say wtf, let me explain... In standard configuration 15/47 (Wee), at freeway speeds how many times does one look for the 7th gear? The Vee is reasonably tall in 6th but needs 1 tooth drop in front for real slow stuff. Off-road the 1st gear is often too tall for climbing at very low speed, as well as other true slow speed manouvers - eliminating one riding of the rear brake plus clutch. I can hear you shout.. change your sprockets - been there done that on the Wee, 14/47, 16/45, 16/42. My friend on his Vee went down a tooth on the front sprocket. No the answer is an 8 speed box and let the rider choose the gear that they want. Let me remind you that the Wee loves to rev. Short shifting as an option will be again up to the rider.
 

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agree one tooth less on front is best for trails, slow etc. in fact I find one tooth less on front best for all my riding...mostly on 2 lane highways and winding backroads, seldom freeways. I have almost no need for 6th. one less tooth on my DR 350 and DR 650 allowed use of the powerband at lower speeds, difference between making or not hill climbs. I find them all geared tall.
 

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I've use up one and down one tooth on the front sprocket. Down one is good for in the mountains and off road. Up one is good for the interstate running 70 mph. I run stock now for the compromise. Saturday I ran over to Cumberland State Forest and back. It was mostly intestate to get home before dark. It was buzzy running with the traffic. And my gas mileage had dropped below 50 mpg. OH K60s wail at 65 to 70 mph. At 73 mph they quiet down. But time for new ones. The back looks like a car tire it is so flat. The front is even but has worn out.



 

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How short is short?

I like to shift quickly around 6500 and up. Easy, fast and smooth. So much fun I will pay for the extra fuel. I find shifts in that shifts 4500 range can be herky jerky clunky. No reason to go much above 8500 although the engine does not seem to mind. I can almost hear the fasteners coming loose at 10K. Congested situation/city/commuting/puttering you can go low and relaxed as long as no lugging. I like the bike much more with ear plugs and winding it up a bit and making very quick shift. If you not quick on the shift engine unwinds too much (lazy shifting) If you are shifting in the misery range you have to make sure you time well and let go of throttle or you can get revvy newbie shift. Gear selection generally speaking 1-10s, 2-20s, 3-30s, 4-40s, 5-50s, 6-60s is kind of my rule of thumb. I am 6500 miles in on this machine now and don't look down much anymore at tach/gear/speedo.

I did have trouble at first with 4-5 from time to time but T6 and 13000 miles on the clock and experience seems to have resolved that. When relaxed riding I often skip clutch on 5-6. Pressure on lever, backoff a little, click.
 

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Agree big time with they like red line and sure does not seem to hurt them. Main reason I got 011 new in 012 after riding more than one of both it and the 1000 was the 650 will lug so much more if need be.I just liked the motor more.Now the newer two in to one 1000 is far better IMO. Would have bought it over my 650 if out then.Still happy with my 650 with over 60,000 now and so many states off my bucket list.:grin2:
 

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OP asked about stator life and low rpm. I would probably update the R/R if I was concerned. I (allegedly) have the recalled stator and am hoping for the best. My advice to talonstrom72 is twist it up and smile. You may get a chance to swear at burnt stator later and invite friends over to work on the bike or something but I would not sacrifice today's fun for maybe avoiding a problem in the future. Every day (or ride) may be your last so ride safe as you can and enjoy while you can. No need to be reckless or foolish but the higher revs are there to be used and enjoyed. I think the bike can take it once in a while and frankly they seem pretty serviceable. I think it take a few revs and miles to get these machines broke in properly. Me I work too much and like to spin it up a bit when I get a chance.

Hey talonstrom72! You 72 years old? born in 72? graduate in 72? I was examining your avatar to figure out location.
 

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I've use up one and down one tooth on the front sprocket. Down one is good for in the mountains and off road. Up one is good for the interstate running 70 mph. I run stock now for the compromise. Saturday I ran over to Cumberland State Forest and back. It was mostly intestate to get home before dark. It was buzzy running with the traffic. And my gas mileage had dropped below 50 mpg. OH K60s wail at 65 to 70 mph. At 73 mph they quiet down. But time for new ones. The back looks like a car tire it is so flat. The front is even but has worn out.



Heck you still have 7,000 miles of thread left on that rear tire. Shame it all on the sides:wink2:
 

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Do the first iteration 650's have a rev limiter? I loved the limiter on my 1100RT-P BMW. It allowed me to really know when to shift.
i occasionally go for the top of the tach but not without trepidation.
i dropped a tooth on the front sprocket for the more relaxed freeway drone.
 

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That's the way K60s look ....how many miles are on them.
 

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Short shifting may have some perks. Keeps the exhaust note / sound down at night, when you have a late night out and the wife is asleep.. :grin:
 

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Short shifting may have some perks. Keeps the exhaust note / sound down at night, when you have a late night out and the wife is asleep.. :grin:
Lol is this from experience?
 

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I agree shifting early is not as fun as revving the bike out, but the fuel lasts a really long time if you shift early, and the bike is fine with it.

I am running 92 octane fuel with Marvel Mystery Oil and I have gone 92 miles on a quarter tank so far shifting early most of the time (although a few revs here and there).

The tank before this, I ran a tank of 87 octane fuel, no additives (and I think it has ethanol but not sure), it got only 200 miles on 4.53 gallons (I was driving it harder as well on that tank).

People were saying the manual recommends 91 octane or higher fuel, which is premium where I live :)
 

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I am running 92 octane fuel with Marvel Mystery Oil and I have gone 92 miles on a quarter tank so far shifting early most of the time (although a few revs here and there).

The tank before this, I ran a tank of 87 octane fuel, no additives (and I think it has ethanol but not sure), it got only 200 miles on 4.53 gallons (I was driving it harder as well on that tank)..

It's not a 2 stroke what do you think mixing the oil is doing for you?

These motors easily go 100K miles on regular un-leaded.

I can ride my bike any which way if I stay under freeway speeds and the mileage doesn't vary.

"Bad" fuel mileage is more about the exceeding 75mph than anything else. Once the bike gets up past that the mileage will drop sometimes a lot depending on conditions.
 
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