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Anyone care to talk me out of buying a 2014 Ford Fusion?

Old car is old and past its usefulness. Too many old-car-problems. Paint falling off, etc.

Got to have something. It's not really practical to get groceries on the Vstrom.
 

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Fords and Ford Fusions are great cars. But kike any used car that is not an old beater ... check for recalls!
There are 35 recalls on the Fusion. Some matter, others not so much. With the VIN you can find out which ones have been remedied. (handy for negotiating price)
 

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Yep, one of the first things I checked, all recalls have been done.

I still need to get my own Carfax on it.
 

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Are Fords now unreliable too, Oldjeep? I thought Ford actually surpassed Toyota on reliability a couple years ago, before they actually stopped making cars (except the Mustang).
 

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I've driven a Ford product for the best part of 15 years, a Mercury Grand Marquis.

I wouldn't really call it "unreliable." Yes it has had some issues, the major ones of which have been fixed at this point. For example, I needed a new intake manifold around 150k miles, and a new fuel pump somewhere north of 100k.

Today I'm knocking on the door of 215k. Some of the front suspension (ball joints) needs replacing, but that's expected for that mileage.

The biggest problems are the paint falling off (literally, Performance White had some kind of quality issue), and some small leaks that are getting worse and not worth fixing (due to labor involved).

None of it is all that unusual, and doesn't dissaude me from buying a Ford that is 16 years newer, and a very different design (FWD mid-size vs. oldskool semi-luxury sedan).

The transmission is still mostly fine. Only in the last couple of months has it started a minor oil leak, which is a known issue (again) but it's too much work to replace the seal that is to blame.

I don't know what folks expect in terms of durability, but I haven't needed a new engine or transmission or brake master cylinder or anything of that nature.

Astonishingly, the AC system still works 100%.
 

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Had bad experiences with 2006 Kia Ronda and 2009 Hyundai Sonata fwiw. Ran many a Ford/Merc over the years, they depreciate like mad so you get alot of bang for the buck, peripheral systems (lights, switches, AC, ABS) can be problematic but motors tend to be good. Never ran a fusion. Today the Mrs and I only run Hondas and Toyotas-prefer Toyota. I would take a 150K toyota over a 100K Ford all tghings remaining equal. I prefer to buy from older people-never teens or early 20's, no mystery mods, factory equip all the way, even an aftermarket stereo scares me, dealer maintained is typical with older car sellers
 

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Yep, I was originally shopping for a Toyota or Honda but the prices were just too high for me.

I wanted to look at a Mazda 6 but could only find ones that were nearly-new and therefore too expensive, or well over 100k miles.
 

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My experience with Ford was limited to the Crown Victorias, but I had a lot of respect for that car. I saw them get abused on a regular basis and they just kept going. Not too stellar as far as MPG goes, but I really liked them.
 

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My .02 on the kias since we have owned a few of them.
My wife drives a 2011 Optima EX that we bought new. In the time we have owned it was recalled twice and had 1 warranty repair - trans temp sensor
My daughter drives a 2012 Sorrento LX with 145,000 miles on it. At 134K kia issued a recall to check for metal in the pan due to some sort of mfg defect. They replaced a 134K mile engine that was working perfectly and using no oil for free because they found a little metal on the drain plug.

My mom has a pair of Souls, one at each house and they have both been trouble free
In addition to those we had a 2003 Sorrento and a 2006 Spectra 5

No turds in the bunch.
 

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Does anyone remember when Ford was advertising the "World Car" - the Escort? It was loved the world over - just not so much in North America, home of the land yacht at that time. It was when they streamlined production by making some models the same everywhere. Lots of manufacturers today are doing the same thing and it is not a bad thing. The 2104 Fusion is the same car as the Ford Mondeo in most of the rest of the world and most of the rest of the world LOVES it. It's only 6 years old. Buy it and enjoy it.

BTW, it was on my short list last year when I was car shopping in Europe for a wagon. I got a Rover 75 Tourer with a BMW diesel instead because that diesel doesn't have all the new-tech doodads that all the "modern" diesels have for emissions (and expensive repairs).

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Yep, I was originally shopping for a Toyota or Honda but the prices were just too high for me.

I wanted to look at a Mazda 6 but could only find ones that were nearly-new and therefore too expensive, or well over 100k miles.
Honda's and Toyotas hold their value for good reasons......they are overall simply the best. Other than those choices I would likely only own another Subaru, damn they make some good cars.
 

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Honda's and Toyotas hold their value for good reasons......they are overall simply the best. Other than those choices I would likely only own another Subaru, damn they make some good cars.
More realistically, this perception is why the inflated values.

I'm ok with skipping the Toyota tax for something just or almost as good.
 

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My daughter-in-law works HR for Ford. She sold her Camry and bought a Fusion for political reasons. She likes the Fusion but commented she should have kept the Camry. I never asked her why.

I own a 4Runner, a Venza, and a Camry. Haven't bought anything but Honda and Toyota products in 30 years.
 

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Honda's and Toyotas hold their value for good reasons......they are overall simply the best. Other than those choices I would likely only own another Subaru, damn they make some good cars.
I had one Subaru and it was a lemon. Brand new 2000 Outback Limited. Head gaskets twice in 100,000 miles and then the tranny crapped out. Got the wife a used Mercury Sable wagon. Much better car and cost 1/6th as much. Had a couple of Kia Sephias that held up way better than the Subaru too.


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Ya know how some of us wait to buy left over V-Stroms ....
This is the last production year for the Ford Flex. I'm hot to get one with a Boost engine either as a end of year deal or next year as a year old trade-in.
 

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I'm about to pay 3200$ for service on my 2001 4 Runner. It still needs a costly evap canister that is causing a fault light but doesn't make the car run poorly. I haven't had squat done to the car in years. So, buy a Toyota and drive the wheels off it. Oh, it's at 189000 miles now.
 
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