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If this was a reality would Suzuki be doing the right thing in the entry level market. ?

I'm sure a good many of us feel the 650 is just a bit too much on several fronts for a
begining rider or a smaller stature rider. But if they made it would people embrace it ?

Is there a market for this size bike in the Vstrom platform ? :smile2:
 

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Highly unlikely. Suzuki does not currently have a 400cc road bike engine. They jump from 250cc to 650cc and Suzuki would never develop a new engine for just one model. Suzuki Cycles - Product Lines - Cycles
Perhaps a V-Strom 250 grey import?
 

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You do know that there is a 250 Vstrom that does not come to America, don't you ?

I did know it was not a US marketed bike. For what ever reason. And no I do not follow who makes what overseas.

We live in the USA. At least I do. And it's not a 400 either.
 

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I dont think a beginner in this country would be especially interested in an ADV bike smaller than the 650.
GSXR, sure. Maybe what we USED to call a Standard. Even a cruiser, but not an ADV. Suzi has dirt and dual sports of smaller sizes for that.
Id rather they go the other way--bring out a DL 800, then a DL1150-1300 with shaft drive, ride-by-wire throttle with integrated cruise control and a more cohesive front fairing/instrument panel design. Add to the bottom a DL650-R with the braking and suspension bits of the present DL1000.
 

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And still keep the entry level pricing ? Thats a dream for sure. For some the 650 is too heavy and too tall in the saddle.
Sure pick another bike if you don't like it. But none are of this style. However for some strange reason Suzuki continues to
offer the S 40 650 single that has been around since sliced bread. Markets change and they are not going to make a full of gift's
model and keep the price low. Afterall they want you to spend money after the sale on extra's.

There was a time when 350 to 400 cc bikes were built by every manufacturer in Japan , 2 and 4 strokes ,dirt, street ,enduro.
And the 1000cc bikes were where the limits existed. How times have changed. But it won't take away from the need for a
lighter more short people friendly version in an ADV bike. bigger in terms of engine size or horse power is fun sure but not
always better for everyone.
 

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Brockie , Please explain to us the values of riding a Kawasaki Versys 300x The little brother of the 650 Versys.
Who buy the way shares engines with the Ninja 300 sport bike. .

Other food for thought : Yamaha has been making Vstar 250, 650, 1100 models along side each other for years
And the 250 version was very popular with students and newbies.
 

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The smaller capacity bikes are mainly intended for the huge Asian market. They have very different licencing and perceived needs over there.
Some models though have found their way into western markets, although the Versys there retains the older 250cc variant in line with the rules and rego costs.

Here they are labelled as "learner" bikes. Not everybody wants to ride a Ninja.

The seat height of a Versys-X 300 is a tad lower than a DL650 but the big difference is in weight and nimbleness. 386lbs vs. 490lbs (and it feels like it). With a full tank the DL650 is noticeably heavier. Not so the X300. I did buy the optional high seat for it - the OEM low seat is HARD.

Still a full sized bike, it is SLIM.
Keep the revs up and row the gearbox and you will get there just as fast.

The X300 with 90/10 tyres is more nimble and sure footed in dirt than my DL650 with 50/50 Mitas E-07's. It's just fun and unintimidating.

Sure, a load of camping gear or a 150lb passenger will hold it back but these days I use the 4WD for camping. I prefer my little luxuries like cold drinks and camp stretchers. :wink2:
 

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Restorider2017 "And still keep the entry level pricing ? Thats a dream for sure."
Yes, keep the entry-level pricing for the basic DL650, but bring our a more feature-laden model, a DL-R if you will, for those that want a 650 that is NOT an entry-level machine. An ADV for every pocketbook.
 

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Thanks for the review Brockie.
 
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I would never consider the DL650 as an entry level anything other than > This WOULD be a good first ADV bike
but not a first motorcycle.
 

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And still keep the entry level pricing ? Thats a dream for sure. For some the 650 is too heavy and too tall in the saddle.
Sure pick another bike if you don't like it. But none are of this style.
You are ill informed.
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/254474/2013-suzuki-v-strom-650-adventure-vs-2013-honda-cb500x-comparison-test/



The CB500x is 477cc and wildly successful since 2012 and goes nose to nose with a DL650.
Lighter, better fuel mileage, same range and quite happy and solid at 70-80 mph. 5k rpm at 60 mph.

With the addition of a 19" front wheel and a bit more oomph in 2019, it has moved further into the Vstrom space....and it's cheaper. >:)
 

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Well thanks for that sales pitch. I'll stay ill informed thank you.
 
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