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I purchased a few Fram oil filters the other day. I noticed that the Suzuki filter weighs about 50% more than the Fram. I went to put one of the Fram filters in today. Tried to use my cap wrench. The dimples at the end of the filter are not deep enough for the wrench to get a good grip.
I tried my Sears strap wrench. Got it to about 1 1/2 turns and the wrench snapped. I was going to leave it at that, but I noticed that the filter was dented by the wrench. I got my plumbing wrench and took the filter off.
Good thing that I had a Suzuki filter. Put that on and no problems.
All hail Suzuki. I will never stray again. I hope the rest of the congregation does not find out that I strayed.
 
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1. you're right, fram filters are junk

2. you only need to tighten the filter hand tight. With a little oil on the seal it'll snug up nicely.

IMO, of course.
 

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These filters have a very fine thread.
At first I did not believe that they could be turned two turns. I discovered otherwise. They require quite a bit of pressure to turn them two turns but this is what Suzuki recommends. Car filters are hand tightened. I talked to a mechanic and he said that if you don't turn them the proper amount they will leak.
 

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Yup I Hate Fram
I had the seals on 2 frams fail on my van... Switched to a Puralator.. No Prob

Today I changed the oel on my DL.. Got the suzuki filter. Read about the 2 turns... Tried it but could only muster a turn and 1/2 by hand.

It leaks (slight drop wells up under filter).. I'll have to tighten it up to 2.

Here's an interesting Idea for Next Time..

K&N Filter (race approved, supposed to exceed oem, Has a 17mm Nut welded to the end.. spin it on and wrench to tightness.

I may try this next time.
 
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Well, I suppose if it leaks, tighten it up a little. My experience is on my honda magna and my suzuki atv (they rec 2 turns past touching there also). I've fought with overtightened filters before and it ain't worth it. Onward.
 

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Yup I Hate Fram
I had the seals on 2 frams fail on my van... Switched to a Puralator.. No Prob

Today I changed the oel on my DL.. Got the suzuki filter. Read about the 2 turns... Tried it but could only muster a turn and 1/2 by hand.

It leaks (slight drop wells up under filter).. I'll have to tighten it up to 2.

Here's an interesting Idea for Next Time..

K&N Filter (race approved, supposed to exceed oem, Has a 17mm Nut welded to the end.. spin it on and wrench to tightness.

I may try this next time.
The K&N is the same as the Hi Flo filter with a nut added at a high expense. But it is convenient on and off.
 

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FWIW,

I read elswhere that you DO NOT need to tighten a Fram 2 turns! Holy cow! The reason is the gasket... Suzuki's is rounded and Fram's is flat. The round one needs 2 turns to deform it to seal properly. The flat gasket on the Fram only needs 1/4 turn or so. Try tightening a plumbing fitting too tight and it'll leak all over as well!

No wonder the Fram dented! Suzuki proabably has to make their filter wall heavier to handle 2 turns of pressure. That might be a big reason it weighs more.

For my information, what leads Fram filters to get a bad rep? I mean, anyone lose and engine to one? I've never had a single problem on any vehicle with Fram filters or Purolators or whatever... Seems like another arguement similar to choosing what oil to put in your bike.
 

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FWIW,

I read elswhere that you DO NOT need to tighten a Fram 2 turns! Holy cow! The reason is the gasket... Suzuki's is rounded and Fram's is flat. The round one needs 2 turns to deform it to seal properly. The flat gasket on the Fram only needs 1/4 turn or so. Try tightening a plumbing fitting too tight and it'll leak all over as well!

No wonder the Fram dented! Suzuki proabably has to make their filter wall heavier to handle 2 turns of pressure. That might be a big reason it weighs more.

For my information, what leads Fram filters to get a bad rep? I mean, anyone lose and engine to one? I've never had a single problem on any vehicle with Fram filters or Purolators or whatever... Seems like another arguement similar to choosing what oil to put in your bike.
A while ago I read somewhere that the Frams were no good because of the machining process. Seems that when the threads are cut, bits of metal were getting into the filter and then to your engine.
But on a recent episode of *How it's made* I saw filters being made and the threads are cut BEFORE that part is mated to the body of the filter. So who knows. You know how folk lore, wives tails and the like get started......
 

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Its not that they will make your engine fail. Its just that they are not made with the same precision and filtering capabilities of some of the other filters. Its not that they aren't good and won't do the job its just thats there are better filters to be used. Its the same with oil. Change it often and you will have no problems. But you could put an oil that has a better protection testing than other oils if peace of mind is important to you.
 

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FWIW,


For my information, what leads Fram filters to get a bad rep? .

Fram used to have one of the best reps and about 20 years ago or so, asian manufactureds began making defective pirate fram filters, and they floodded the US markets in discount stores like K-mart

needless to say, they started to get a bad rap because of it. I've never heard of a problem with a real Fram filter

some people started taking them apart and discovered they use some coated cardboard instead of metal at the ends... big deal, the filter is only intended to last 5000 miles or so before you change it, why make it more expensive than it needs to be:rolleyes:

there is nothing wrong with fram filters, follow fram's intructions for tightening, not instructions for a suzuki filter



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Some light reading on oil filters...

http://www.motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterStudy.html

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

And for those of you studying for your PhD in Oil Filterology, or suffer from sleeping disorders... WOW!
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0601_st.asp (part 1)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0602_st.asp (part 2)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0603_st.asp (part 3)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0604_st.asp (part 4)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0605_st.asp (part 5)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0606_st.asp (part 6)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0607_st.asp (part 7)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0609_st.asp (part 8)
http://www.greenmediaonline.com/uploads/shoptalk/0610_st.asp (part 9)

Honestly, I would not expect anyone (well, someone probably will anyway) to read all these offerings, just demonstrating that indeed, ALL OF LIFE'S QUESTIONS can be answered on the internet!!! Yeah, it's true! Whatever. The last one of the 9 part series is probably the one to read of that group, although the rest I'm sure would have outstanding information.

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Hi Flo 138 is 1/2 the price of an K&N. No nut. No pretty chrome

Supposed to be the same filter.

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Have used many Fram filters on my bikes for over 80,000 miles and I have yet to have a probelm. BTW a proper Fram Wrench would have worked on the FRAM filter (I have Suzuki and Fram capable wrenches) My take is most people who worry about Fram filters or "oil" will never keep a bike long enough or put enough miles on it to worry about a failure. 27,000 miles in 2 seasons on my 05 Strom and the primary filter of choice was Fram and regular motorcycle oil from Canadian Tire (Store brand)

Fram used to have one of the best reps and about 20 years ago or so, asian manufactureds began making defective pirate fram filters, and they floodded the US markets in discount stores like K-mart

needless to say, they started to get a bad rap because of it. I've never heard of a problem with a real Fram filter

some people started taking them apart and discovered they use some coated cardboard instead of metal at the ends... big deal, the filter is only intended to last 5000 miles or so before you change it, why make it more expensive than it needs to be:rolleyes:

there is nothing wrong with fram filters, follow fram's intructions for tightening, not instructions for a suzuki filter
 

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Fram SUCKS...there I said it, and ya'll aint changing my mind.:mrgreen: When a majority of people say that something sucks, it usually does. To those of you that use them, have good luck, and actually like them....I am tickled to death for ya.;)
 

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I use Fram on my DL650, my Marauder, and my truck. Never had any problems. Just my experience.
 

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On this business of how many turns to tighten, read the filter. If it doesn't say anything then tighten it per the book. If it says how many turns to tighten then tighten it that many turns. If it says "one turn" don't try to tighten it two.
 

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I use Fram they work fine. My oil is pretty clean when I change it and my drain plug has no deposits on it when I change the oil. The BIGGEST thing is changing the oil right on time. I am betting the suzuki filter weighs more because of the metal they use and nothing more.

Who knows though?
 

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Fram filters have been known to be junk for years by a lot of car guys.
One example: Buick big block motors are very unforgiving when it comes to oiling. Fram filters have been known to cause a loss of oil pressure, which is a big deal in these motors. Also, if you read most of the tests out there, there are many other better filters. Frams are generally at the bottom of the list as far as quality goes. In other words, you can do better.
 
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