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Three seats for the Suzuki V-Strom:

From left to right: Stock, Gel, Sargent




1) Stock DL650


2) Suzuki Gel


3) Sargent World Sport























Seat height measured when motorcycle is level. Actual measurements were made in my garage on a level cement floor.

Pictures are at an angle and exact measurements are:

Stock: 32 1/2” - 82.6 cm
Gel: 33 3/4” - 85.7 cm
Sargent: 33” - 83.8 cm





















http://wulfers.net/motorcycle/09DL650/seat/index.html
 

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These are the kinds of posts that are helpful to a lot of people. Thanks for taking the time to post this!
 
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Many things we already know about these seats but here is my experience. Your experience could be entirely different based on your measurements and the size/shape of your butt. And no, I am not taking a picture of mine. That would be weird.. ;)

I am about 6'2", 210lbs, waist: 38" inseam pants: 32", inside leg measured with shoes on: 34"

1) Stock
Too low and too narrow. Curved shaped doesn't allow for moving around. Soft foam is comfy at first but becomes painful after 30 minutes. Easy to flat-foot with both feet at the same time. Shape pushes you toward the tank.

2) Gel
Comfortable height and width for me but I still could use an extra inch on each side. Gel is a bit hard but comfortable for 6 - 8 hour rides. More room to change seating position, flatter surface area. Wider in the front so more inner thigh support but makes it more difficult to put feet on the ground. Can not flat-foot both feet at the same time.

3) Sargent
Widest of the three but not high enough for me. I felt like sitting only on the back part of my butt and front edges of flat area push into my thighs after a while. Wide in the back but narrow in the front so not enough inner thigh support for me compared to the gel seat. Easy to flat-foot with both feet at the same time. I only rode it for about an hour after which it become uncomfortable for me.

The most comfortable for me is the gel seat. The Sargent would be very good if my legs were 1 - 2 inches shorter. An inch difference in seat height may not seem much but can make a big difference for comfort. I also found the larger surface area and shape of the gel seat made me feel more in control of the bike because of the better thigh support. I felt a bit like balancing on the Sargent seat but that was also because it was too low for me. I think I'll get a sheepskin pad on my gel seat for now and maybe switch to a Russell seat at a later time.
 

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The most comfortable for me is the gel seat. The Sargent would be very good if my legs were 1 - 2 inches shorter. An inch difference in seat height may not seem much but can make a big difference for comfort. I think I'll get a sheepskin pad for now and maybe switch to a Russell seat at a later time.
I've recently had this same discussion with another inmate here who performed a similar comparison and reached the same conclusion.

I recently acquired a gel saddle and the extra height, however subtle, has made my knees much happier. The extra width and/or the gel keeps my boney butt from aching as it did with the stock saddle. Throw in the Alaska Sheepskin buttpad I was using before and my saddle search is over. It's not perfect, but I can ride a tank of gas at a time and for my purposes on this bike, that's good enough.
 

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Great info- thanks for taking the time to do this.


So it looks like the Gel seat is about the same height as stock DL1k?

Wulf about sold me on it.
 
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I recently acquired a gel saddle and the extra height, however subtle, has made my knees much happier.
I forgot to mention I injured my knees after I moved at the beginning of the year. They make a very noticeable grinding sound when I walk up the stairs. My knees start to hurt pretty quickly with the Sargent and stock seat but feel much better with the gel seat. Shifting is easier as well.

So it looks like the Gel seat is about the same height as stock DL1k?
I also switched to the gel seat when I had my DL1000 and I think I remember they were about the same height. But the gel seat is firmer so you don't sink in as much.
 

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Are you Gellin? :var_21:

Thanks for taking the time to do this. I was strongly considering a Sargent to help with leg room but this seals the deal. I'll stick with my gel.
 
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The gel seat with a sheepskin pad does look rather comfy, doesn't it? I was riding with the Sargent seat and used a towel half way through the ride so I would sit a bit higher. I was surprised how much cooler it instantly felt. I think the sheepskin pad adds about another 1/4" of height. Doesn't sound like much but I did notice that on my DL1000 as well. I am heading over to their website right now. :)

 

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I learned the hard way this weekend - don't let your sheepskin get rainsoaked and still ride on it. Squishy and not comfy at all.
 

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I forgot to mention I injured my knees after I moved at the beginning of the year. They make a very noticeable grinding sound when I walk up the stairs. My knees start to hurt pretty quickly with the Sargent and stock seat but feel much better with the gel seat. Shifting is easier as well.
Did you get your knees looked at? I fell down hill on my knees with a 30lb backpack about 18 months ago and finally had mine looked at, they found an issue and they corrected it. Not thru recovery yet but already it's better and I was only out from riding for a week. Yoga instructor questioned my being in class so soon after surgery but it wasn't too bad. Anyway I kept putting it off and shouldn't have.

Thanks for the research, saves me from testing out the Sargent seat. It does look real nice. I wanted to try the gel but am looking for a plus up for my rider as well. May have to resort to moddin my own.

Are the sheep skin butt pads from a specific site or are they generic?
 
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I had my knees checked and did some physical therapy but there is not much improvement yet.

It seems everybody orders the butt pads from http://www.alaskaleatheronline.com
You can use the promotion code deadsheep to get a 10% discount.
 
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+1 on thanks for taking the time to do this!! Seeing all 3 compared so thoroughly answers a lot of questions.

Now, what about the tall touring seat? ;-)
 

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Another loony...

I'm the other inmate, I believe, and agree completely. I experienced the same issues with the Sargent - simply too low to be comfortable.

FANTASTICALLY USEFUL post, with great pics and concrete info about the differences!

However, I'm now trying the gel with an inflatable Crazy Creek Air Cushion ($15-22) and will be taking a 175-mile test ride tomorrow and will post the results.

I've recently had this same discussion with another inmate here who performed a similar comparison and reached the same conclusion.

I recently acquired a gel saddle and the extra height, however subtle, has made my knees much happier. The extra width and/or the gel keeps my boney butt from aching as it did with the stock saddle. Throw in the Alaska Sheepskin buttpad I was using before and my saddle search is over. It's not perfect, but I can ride a tank of gas at a time and for my purposes on this bike, that's good enough.
 

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However, I'm now trying the gel with an inflatable Crazy Creek Air Cushion ($15-22) and will be taking a 175-mile test ride tomorrow and will post the results.
These look like it might be worth researching. If it sucks on the bike, can always use it canoeing, camping or in bleacher seats.

skwoosh cushion
 

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I've read a zillion 'seat' threads and it's all starting to blend together. Wulf's measurements show the gel seat to be 1.5" higher than 650 stock. The official Suzuki description for the gel seat says:

"Built for the demands of long hours in the saddle, the V-Strom Gel Seat has been extensively tested, designed and produced in the USA. Features a reshaped, approximately 6mm lower(DL650) and more contoured design with a textured cover over a gel insert in the riders area for superior comfort."

Wulf's pictures clearly show the gel seat to be higher. What gives with Suzuki's description?
 

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Great comparison!!!!!!

Had the gel and it was a big improvement over the stocker. I now have the Sargent.....and you couldn't pry it from my dead hands. Great post that you did, think I'll make this a sticky!!!!!

Brian
 
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