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Salvage XT back on the road. Compared to Ducati Multistrada

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Happy to report that I finished the repairs to my '22 1050XT salvage project. Rode a couple hundred miles today. Really enjoyed the XT. A few observations compared to the Ducati Multistrada 1200S I had -

  • XT is way less expensive to buy, way less expensive to own
  • XT owner maintenance is much easier
  • I trust the XT reliability much more
  • I had heard bad things about the XT brakes. 90% as good as the Ducati Brembos
  • Was disappointed in the XT B mode power as I was used to the Multi in B mode. Switched the XT to A mode and found it acceptable.
  • XT has a lot less HP. 106HP is enough though. 160HP tended to get me in trouble anyway.
  • Multi begs for more throttle at 6K RPM, XT begs for less. XT does not have the Multi's thrill factor.
  • XT exhaust note is better (with Yoshimura exhaust)
  • Multi intake sound is much better. I don't think I can even hear the XT intake.
  • What knucklehead put the XT cruise on/off on the throttle side?
  • XT gets crazy good gas milage.
  • XT wind protection is better (with Puig touring windscreen)
  • Will miss the Multi TFT, backlit controls, heated grips, single sided swingarm
  • Like the XT gadget mounting bar near the windscreen
  • The Multi electronic suspension was an expensive novelty that was fun to play with. I don't need it and am happy to have less to go wrong.
  • I love the feel of Michelin Road 6s on the XT and the 19" front wheel
  • XT corners about 90% as well as the Multi
  • The XT transmission is smoother than the Multi
  • I don't worry about damaging the XT like I did the Multi.
  • XT seat is more comfortable than the Multi

Conclusion, all things considered, I prefer the XT.

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Ducati's are beautiful bikes. They are a thrill to ride. BUT...... I have never given a thought to owning one as to me they seem a temperamental, Italian mistress. Hot to be with but a super pain in the arse and very expense to maintain. (at least in my mind)
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Ducati's are beautiful bikes. They are a thrill to ride. BUT...... I have never given a thought to owning one as to me they seem a temperamental, Italian mistress. Hot to be with but a super pain in the arse and very expense to maintain. (at least in my mind)
I’ve ridden everything Ducati from a Monster S4R to a 1098. Ducatis make beautiful sounds but would make my pocket book scream mercy. I enjoyed the riding experience on a Ducati but never wanted to own one.

Buddy loved his Ducs and I never fully understood it. The dry clutch was one thing I never appreciated either.
A friend of mine with a Duc certainly didn't appreciate his dry clutch when I finally let him talk me into a drag race.

I'll concede my DL 650 did have Barnett clutch components in it but a usable clutch sure makes up for a shit load of HP in terms of speed off the line.
Happy to report that I finished the repairs to my '22 1050XT salvage project. Rode a couple hundred miles today. Really enjoyed the XT. A few observations compared to the Ducati Multistrada 1200S I had -

  • XT is way less expensive to buy, way less expensive to own
  • XT owner maintenance is much easier
  • I trust the XT reliability much more
  • I had heard bad things about the XT brakes. 90% as good as the Ducati Brembos
  • Was disappointed in the XT B mode power as I was used to the Multi in B mode. Switched the XT to A mode and found it acceptable.
  • XT has a lot less HP. 106HP is enough though. 160HP tended to get me in trouble anyway.
  • Multi begs for more throttle at 6K RPM, XT begs for less. XT does not have the Multi's thrill factor.
  • XT exhaust note is better (with Yoshimura exhaust)
  • Multi intake sound is much better. I don't think I can even hear the XT intake.
  • What knucklehead put the XT cruise on/off on the throttle side?
  • XT gets crazy good gas milage.
  • XT wind protection is better (with Puig touring windscreen)
  • Will miss the Multi TFT, backlit controls, heated grips, single sided swingarm
  • Like the XT gadget mounting bar near the windscreen
  • The Multi electronic suspension was an expensive novelty that was fun to play with. I don't need it and am happy to have less to go wrong.
  • I love the feel of Michelin Road 6s on the XT and the 19" front wheel
  • XT corners about 90% as well as the Multi
  • The XT transmission is smoother than the Multi
  • I don't worry about damaging the XT like I did the Multi.
  • XT seat is more comfortable than the Multi

Conclusion, all things considered, I prefer the XT.

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Glad u like it. I tell my KTM1290 friends when they ask is it fast, I say, "it's not fast, but it's fast enough." I definitely don't need 160HP on the kind of roads we have in the mountains and the way we ride. I installed the 1050XT Adventure heated grips which is a very nice upgrade and of course, they are OEM. Surprised you aren't hearing the wonderful intake noise. My 2020 1050XT has the sweetest moan - I love it.
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Ducati's are beautiful bikes. They are a thrill to ride. BUT...... I have never given a thought to owning one as to me they seem a temperamental, Italian mistress. Hot to be with but a super pain in the arse and very expense to maintain. (at least in my mind)
So true. I told my wife that my Ducati was like a beautiful, expensive, capricious supermodel girlfriend. I also told her she was my Suzuki - wonderfully reliable, practical, and resilient. I've been cooking for myself for about a week now.
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I need to whine some more. On my Multi, you could engage hill hold by forcefully engaging the front or rear brake. But silly Ducati turns it off after 7 seconds. Best I can tell on my XT, hill hold is only available if you are on a fairly steep upwards incline.

Sometimes I may be on a gentle slope (up or down) at a stop sign or red-light and would like the bike to remain stationary without me holding a brake lever or pedal. You can engage BMWs hill hold by applying a brake and it stays on until you want to disengage it. Good common sense by BMW. Is it too much to ask Ducati and Suzuki to think like a rider.
A friend of mine with a Duc certainly didn't appreciate his dry clutch when I finally let him talk me into a drag race.

I'll concede my DL 650 did have Barnett clutch components in it but a usable clutch sure makes up for a shit load of HP in terms of speed off the line.
How did his dry clutch cost him the race?
How did his dry clutch cost him the race?
Forgot the replacement cost, but it cost him a new clutch as well. Slip was the problem basically.

DL 650 has a very fat power band low down and Barnett clutch packs have a lot more meat on the friction discs and 10% more powerful springs, once you let it out, it does not slip, so take off letting the clutch out as you go, wind it out to 6500 in first, change into second and keep going to redline, making power almost all the time. The Duc was quite peaky and the clutch slipped, so although he had 50% more paper ponies than me they didn't make it to the ground.


After a couple of attempts to prove the superiority of Italian engineering the clutch became very problematic, we managed to limp the bike home and a month or so later it was back on the road.
Nice practical write up Tngarren, thx for sharing. Sharp looking XT btw.
I spent seventeen years living with my two DL650's. They were stone reliable; worse issue I ever had was a simple seep on one fork seal. The batteries lasted five or more years. Oh, and I did wear out tires after a few years. They were not race bikes but they were, "Fast enough". Most of the time my wife was on the back and we never lacked for power riding the back roads we love to cruise. Like most things in lilfe the Vstoms had their minor weaknesses. The suspension was not "world class", the brakes were fine but not race grade. Nothing that was too bad to spoil the ride or be unsafe. I have owned a lot of bikes of all different price ranges and displacements from 100cc up to 1200cc. Some so fast they want to rip your arms off and plant your eyeballs into the back of your skull. But, for just plain enjoyment of the ride at a reasonable price the Vstoms were both just good bikes.

For the OP: That's a nice looking bike and you certainly have your brain in the right place. The DL is a very sensible and enjoyable machine. OH....and don't knock Hodaka's. I use to own a Hodaka dealership and a LOT of people had a lot of fun on their Super Rats, Wombats, etc. :p
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OH....and don't knock Hodaka's. I use to own a Hodaka dealership and a LOT of people had a lot of fun on their Super Rats, Wombats, etc. :p
Super Rats were THE bike to have when I was a kid.

Those little 2 stroke 100cc motors screamed, no silencers back then!

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The best Hodaka was the SL175 they made just before stopping production. Years of work perfecting it but only 600 of the dual sport versions were built before production stopped. I sold one of those at my dealership. I wish I would have kept one of those...quite rare. Even more fun was their 250cc "Thunder Dog" engine would fit in the 175's frame. That would have been a sweet little machine.
A buddy of mine raced the Ace 90/100 and won some national races on them. They were too small to compete with Honda and such once those companies decided the dirt market was ripe for profit.
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Forgot the replacement cost, but it cost him a new clutch as well. Slip was the problem basically.

DL 650 has a very fat power band low down and Barnett clutch packs have a lot more meat on the friction discs and 10% more powerful springs, once you let it out, it does not slip, so take off letting the clutch out as you go, wind it out to 6500 in first, change into second and keep going to redline, making power almost all the time. The Duc was quite peaky and the clutch slipped, so although he had 50% more paper ponies than me they didn't make it to the ground.


After a couple of attempts to prove the superiority of Italian engineering the clutch became very problematic, we managed to limp the bike home and a month or so later it was back on the road.
Gotcha! One drag race and he toasted a clutch....Euro Trash!
I call my strom my shopping cart, just like the family wagon it gets the job done with no fuss.

The Ducati is closer to a sports car than a wagon and you pay for that difference.
I spent seventeen years living with my two DL650's. They were stone reliable; worse issue I ever had was a simple seep on one fork seal. The batteries lasted five or more years. Oh, and I did wear out tires after a few years. They were not race bikes but they were, "Fast enough". Most of the time my wife was on the back and we never lacked for power riding the back roads we love to cruise. Like most things in lilfe the Vstoms had their minor weaknesses. The suspension was not "world class", the brakes were fine but not race grade. Nothing that was too bad to spoil the ride or be unsafe. I have owned a lot of bikes of all different price ranges and displacements from 100cc up to 1200cc. Some so fast they want to rip your arms off and plant your eyeballs into the back of your skull. But, for just plain enjoyment of the ride at a reasonable price the Vstoms were both just good bikes.

For the OP: That's a nice looking bike and you certainly have your brain in the right place. The DL is a very sensible and enjoyable machine. OH....and don't knock Hodaka's. I use to own a Hodaka dealership and a LOT of people had a lot of fun on their Super Rats, Wombats, etc. :p
First bike was a wombat!
Would climb anything if you could ride it correctly.
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Tngarren: How do the ergonomics compare between the two, handle bar reach, etc. And what was the reason for the salvage status?

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Tngarren: How do the ergonomics compare between the two, handle bar reach, etc. And what was the reason for the salvage status?
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Very similiar. The XT has me a little more upright which is fine by me. Knee bend feels the same. Ducati did a poor job on the Multi 1200 seat. You gradually slide down towards the tank and it gets quite uncomfortable until you stand up and get your underwear and other items sorted out.

Someone crashed it on the right side. Then I'm guessing someone left laying on its left side as gas dripped down the tank and side cover and ruined the paint. My costs are below. I get much satisfaction out of bringing a bike back to life, enjoying it for a couple years, then moving on to the next thing.

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