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I just bought a set of Intiminators for my 2012+ DL650A. I've been thinking about what fork fluid to use with them. The 5w Amsoil without changing the rebound hole diameter, i.e., welding up the current and drilling a 1.5mm hole is not going to be as controlled as with the stock oil.

I'm thinking of going with Redline instead of Amsoil and am wondering if anyone else has tried it or similar?

AMSOIL Viscosity @40C = 15.7 with viscosity index = 210

Red Line Oil Light Weight Viscosity @40C = 18.4 with viscosity index = 407
( 5W yellow )
 

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The slightly higher viscosity of the Red Line will give you a bit more damping.

The viscosity index is the relative change in viscosity between 40°C and 100°C. In practical terms, the Red Line will thicken less in the winter cold and thin less on a hard ride on a hot summer day.

Either brand will give excellent service. I expect the Amsoil to stay within spec for a long time, and the Red Line to keep within spec longer...at its cost it better.
 

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With my personal experience I have found the rebound to be less of a problem than the compression dampening. I'm using the Amsoil 5w. From what I have read the Ricor shim stack is designed for the Amsoil 5w. Just something for you to think about and muddy the water more. What I am discovering is there is no one solution for all riders. You will need to start somewhere and go from there.





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Hi,

I just bought a set of Intiminators for my 2012+ DL650A. I've been thinking about what fork fluid to use with them. The 5w Amsoil without changing the rebound hole diameter, i.e., welding up the current and drilling a 1.5mm hole is not going to be as controlled as with the stock oil.

I'm thinking of going with Redline instead of Amsoil and am wondering if anyone else has tried it or similar?

AMSOIL Viscosity @40C = 15.7 with viscosity index = 210

Red Line Oil Light Weight Viscosity @40C = 18.4 with viscosity index = 407
( 5W yellow )

My experience is that Castrol and Motul 5W are a bit heavy for my 90kgs. They work, but there's a bit much damping. If anything, you may want to go a bit lighter.

There's no need at all to mess around with the existing dampers - what you do need to do is install them, put something near the recommended oil in, then RIDE the damned bike for a few weeks before you start playing.

The bike will feel different, it's unlikely to feel right *just because it feels different* and there's also some 'sticktion' until the Intiminators bed in.

I found that after a couple of weeks, and particularly the second weekend when I rode a steep winding road downhill, breaking extremely hard and extremely late into corners that whoever designed those things was better at suspension setup than I was.

Apart from needing to change the oil now and then and a little harshness (less than that caused by fitting K60 tyres) I found that they 'just work' (tm).

Obviously, your experience may be different, but I'd still say that messing around until you've ridden with them for a while (and in particular, you need to push the bike to near what it's previous limits were) is a total waste of time and effort.


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The slightly higher viscosity of the Red Line will give you a bit more damping.
Yep, today's 425 mile highway run was fine when I started out, but by the time I got home, the 5w oil was useless at 87 degrees F air temp. It felt like I had no shocks at all up front.
 

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Thanks guys,

I live in North Carolina and want an oil that's not going to break down in the heat. If it not good, I'll go to the Amsoil or a lighter Red Line. The Red Line is easier, cheaper and gets better reviews for other bike forks than the not so well established use of the Amsoil from what I've determined from many searches.

Still interested in anyone that has used Red Line fluid with the Intiminators.

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I've got some Amsoil and Racetech fork oil for sale.

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Race Tech Ultra Slick fork fluid. Two liters. USF-05, 5 weight. Typically used with fork valve installs like Intiminators that require thin fluids. $50 shipped in conus.

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Amsoil Shock Therapy suspension fluid. Two quarts. Medium #10 weight. $25 shipped in conus.

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AMSOIL Shock Therapy Suspension Fluid #10 Medium
 

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I hear more people say the Intiminator ride is a bit harsher than they expected over mild bumps, although they are amazed at how nice they are over harsh bumps. After a while, most don't complain about the slightly harsher mild bump characteristics.

IF that is the case, the heavier oil is NOT the way I'd go.

I've ridden Intiminators in several different bikes, including my 2013 Adventure. I like the 5 weight AmSoil just fine...and that included riding in 110 degree temps in Las Vegas. Of course, everyone's riding conditions can vary....you'll have to determine for yourself what works best for your weight and conditions.
 

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I live in North Carolina and want an oil that's not going to break down in the heat.
North Carolina isn't that hot, is it? 80's & 90? Humidity makes it uncomfortable, but that's for flesh, not machines.
 

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VI is generally of less importance for forks than for shocks in average road riding condition. I did manage to get the oil working very warm a couple times to the extent you can feel the degradation but that was going crazy over some very bumpy roads.

But if you can find some oil with higher VI, for about the same money - why not!

I agree ride a bit before making changes - takes a little bit of time to get use to the setting and make a true analysis.
 

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I installed my Intiminators this weekend. I welded close the small rebound stock hole and drilled a smaller one with a .059"/1.5mm drill bit. I mixed the Redline 2.5wt at 25% to 75% Redline 5wt fluid.

Most noticeable was the bad bridge approaches that I first noticed when I got the 2012 V-Strom a couple of months ago. Beautiful going over them yesterday! I also noticed more of the small bumps at first. It was like the suspension was 'hunting" to follow the road. Later in my ride I didn't notice this at all and perhaps the Intiminators set themselves into the bore and seat properly.

My ride was about 200 miles with about 2/3 of it on curvy two lanes into the Appalachian foothills, i.e. riding nirvana! There is one favorite road of mine that has one not too long sweeper on a small two lane. About half way through it, on a right turning curve, there is a good sized dip and camber change. It is quite noticeable on my old Beemer, not much at all on my Ulysses. The first time I went through this before the change, the Strom hit hard, didn't track the road and ended up pushing me into the other lane to the left. Yesterday it was close to perfect!!

I'm happy with my setup and will report again regarding the small bump phenomena and whether it is really gone or just so minor that I didn't notice it at all as my ride progressed. I can't say I can remember it at all after the first 20 miles.
 

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"small bump phenomena" is a bit of characteristics of riccor - rider faster over them - it would easy the situation :mrgreen: cheers
 

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Yeah I can live with the "small bump phenomena", like I said I got used to it real fast and wither gone or not in my radar any longer.

I also forgot to mention that I put an Adventure Tech fork brace on at the same time. I also cut down the OEM fork steel tube spacers by the thickness of the Intiminators. A piece of PVC pipe would be okay as an option and have done that before on other bikes.
 

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level?

Just about to install the intiminators but wondering what level to start with. The manual I have says 139mm, Brian at Ricor suggested to start at 145mm (and I think I read somewhere else in the forum guys stating 150mm?):headbang:
Any suggestions from those in the know?

215lbs all geared up, leaving spacers at stock length, amsoil 5w shock therapy
 

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figured out Brian's logic.... stock 139mm. Drop in the intimidators into 145mm and I'll bet the oil level comes up to 139....

but thanks for the help anyway....
 

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figured out Brian's logic.... stock 139mm. Drop in the intimidators into 145mm and I'll bet the oil level comes up to 139....

but thanks for the help anyway....
The intimidator body height is 10mm. So your logic is going to be out.

The fluid height should be measured with intimidator in the stanchion but spring and every above it out. Make sure u pump it a few times to get the bubble out.

Start with 150mm and put put a zip tie on the stanchion and go for a hard ride including braking hard till abs kick in. Measure the total travel it should be at least 20 mm to 30mm. Add or subtract fluid till you get to that window. Note the total travel for the forks is about 141mm as measure from the front wheel in the air and not 150mm as Suzuki says
 

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hey thanks, thats some good info. Would be good to know exactly how much oil an intiminator displaces. I figured around 6-7 mm. should have done it before I put them in and buttoned it up. oh well, I'll find out how she works in a week or so when its on the road. I've owned this 2014 since feb 2014 and haven't even ridden it yet. been doing a lot of ergo/electrical/brake modifications and decided to set it up with all the farkles right from the get go just in case I decide its bucket list ride time…Thanks again
 

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I think u need to actually measure the oil level after u put the intiminator in but before everything else. Rather than calculating it.
 

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the actual instructions and guidance I have from Ricor is to start with 145mm forks fully compressed and nothing not even the intimidators installed

From Ricor....

"For the v strom use 145 as a starting point. That measurement is with the forks fully compressed and no intiminator or spring installed. "

...I don't think this means put the intimaters in and adjust to yet another level...
 
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