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I'm within a 25 minute drive of Rich's Custom seats. What I want to know is, has anybody sat on a Rich's Custom and a Russell to compare the two?

Even if Rich's Custom seat contours to your body, he isn't pulling the giant-foam-plus-mattress-spring combo that Russell is. Russell seats essentially replicate a tractor seat in soft foam form and the sides are supported by a metal spring.

All others just use foam, contoured to your the shape of your posterior. I'm not knocking Rich's Custom seat. It's just obvious that the two have distinct approaches and I want to hear the comparison.
 

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I've not sat on a Rich's seat but have a Russell on my vee. A couple of things, one is that it is not all that soft (a good thing since soft seats=numb butts) and the next thing is that Russell got tired of the inconsistency of the foam that they were buying so they bought their own machine and can pump out the foam in any density they want.

Many of the other makers mimic the Russell shape but none can use their construction with the spring. Foam alone will eventually break down faster then with the added support of the spring.

Having said all that I hear that Rich makes a really nice seat and since it is custom it should be better than Corbin or Sargent.
 

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I have seen and sat on a couple Rich's seats, and they are top quality.

He also makes the seat specific to the rider, so in that respect, it closer to the Russel than a generic custom, like Sargent or Corbin.

Everyone is built so differently, and has different requirements in terms of comfort, it's just one of those things that you have to take a chance on....you won't really know until you do it.
 

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Just sitting on either one wouldn't tell you anything. You'd have to ride on it for a long time to really know if the seat is very good.
My initial thought of my Russell when i first sat on it was.. this is hard.... but it didn't take long into my first ride to realize this was a way better seat!!

I'm very very happy with my Russell and would recommend them to anyone.. but it would be hard not to try Rich's seats if he is that close to you. Does he have a money back if your not satisfied policy like Russell does?
 

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has anybody sat on a Rich's Custom and a Russell to compare the two?
I have the exact same question you have and am interested in the replies. If I decide to go with Rich's I'm planning on hauling my bike over in the back of the truck this winter to get it done.

I have seen one Rich's seat in person and it looked really nice. But it was on a BMW GS800 and lowered a lot for the gal riding it so I couldn't use that to judge how the Strom seat might turn out.
 

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To muddy things up even more consider a Bill Mayer saddle. Either one you choose, talk to the people making the seat and tell them what problems you have ( where it hurts). A good custom seat builder can cure your problems. I've tried several "off the shelf" Corbins and Sargent on other bikes and had to have them sent back for alterations. A good seat builder should make alteration without charge.

If Rich's is only 25 minutes away, try to schedule a ride-in and talk to them in person.
 

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I have a Rich's seat on my bike. As said before just sitting on it will do you no good besides my seat is made for me. Rich spent a whole lot of time shaping and reshaping to get my seat to feel just right for me. I cannot complain one bit about it. I have seen the Russel seats and they look nice as well. I know that from now on when I get a new bike one of the first stops will be to see Rich.


 

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Rich's will build a seat for YOU. Sargent and Corbin try to fit the asses of the masses so are a generic. One seat can't fit the asses of the masses as all the asses are different. If you don't like something about the seat down the road, Rich most likely will fix it, on the spot possibly. Keep it local.
 

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I've had my rich's seat for over a year, sent it with them and some pic's from the motorcycle show. received the seat a couple of weeks later, very nice workmanship, felt great. I was coming off a corbin canyon seat. not to bad of a saddle but was super hard and I was moving around a lot. heavy and vibey. After riding my new seat for a season I felt it needed some adjustment. Called Nick at rich's and he said no problem come on over. I hauled the bike over and checked in, Rich met me at the door and saw to it that the bike was unloaded safely. I got there just before quitting time, I unloaded my gear into there guest apartment that rents for a mere $50.00 a night! Pictures don't do it justice, very plush digs! It was a sunny afternoon so Rich asked me if I'd like to go for a ride, he and is wife were going to catch some riding time in the good weather. So off we went out and about, ended up at a seafood place for a great meal and good company. it was great to get back in the seat again, been a long winter in my neck off the woods! Back at the apartment I kicked back and watched the " the Long way round" and how many times you could crash a overloaded GS. Next morning when I went down stairs I was ready for a pre fit test ride. first test ride was much better, but not quite there, I came back and explained what was needed and the technician began applying his magic. A little later I was ready for another road test. Bingo! This is the seat I was looking for. Back to the shop for the cover install and were done by lunchtime! Great experience, the service was awesome! I know I'm a little off track here so I'll come around.
I have a riding buddy who has a russell so we swap bikes now and then, the Russell fits nice but for me is too far forward almost on the tank. This is probably good if you do a lot of two up riding as the pillion has more seat. My Rich's seat is a Solo seat that sets me back a bit. Both seats are tall and I like that, though I'm on the balls of my feet at a light. Once again, it's hard to beat something that is custom made, and for the money I'm happy with my choice.
 

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I've never had anything but stock seats and the Rich's Custom he did for my last bike. I'm going back to him for my new seat. He's a fun ferry ride away for me and provides a level of customization and customer service that are hard to beat. He builds the best seat for you while you wait. It's an all-day affair, which is fine 'cause there are lots of places to explore and interesting people to talk to. Once the seat is built, you ride on it for awhile, then take it back for any adjustments. I know lots of people swear by their seats, but I won't go with anyone but Rich 'cause I've had such good experience. He does not mass market, and it's reflective in the ride.
 

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As Bumble said, Rich re-works his seat if there is any way to make it better. In addition to the apartment, he also has a small, nice, no-charge camping area.

One advantage to any custom seat is that they position you where you best fit the bike...higher or lower, more forward or more back, whatever is best for you.
 

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To muddy things up even more consider a Bill Mayer saddle. Either one you choose, talk to the people making the seat and tell them what problems you have ( where it hurts). A good custom seat builder can cure your problems. I've tried several "off the shelf" Corbins and Sargent on other bikes and had to have them sent back for alterations. A good seat builder should make alteration without charge.

If Rich's is only 25 minutes away, try to schedule a ride-in and talk to them in person.
I've had Bill Mayer, Russel and Sargent. I sent the Mayer back 3 times and still not close. Did not bother to try for a 4th time and sold it. Sargent is (for me) much, much better than the Mayer. Without question however, for long distance riding nothing has come close to matching the Russell. If there is a caveat to the Russell seat; it would be that "due to the wings" on the side of the seat it is a tad more problematical for the rider to move around during aggressive cornering.

I am average build.

I admit though that had I lived close to Rich's I would have gone there in person to be fitted. I have never heard a negative comment about Rich from anyone or on any forum.
 

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Rich gives you an education as well on seats. I asked him about materials to use. He said leather as it breathes and will dry out faster if it gets wet. In the PNW it is a not maybe thing it will get wet if you ride a lot. He did a seat for a VFR for me. This is video done by Peckhammer , well known in the FJR community of Rich YouTube - Custom Motorcycle Seats: BMW R1200R
 

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Just sitting on either one wouldn't tell you anything. You'd have to ride on it for a long time to really know if the seat is very good.
My initial thought of my Russell when i first sat on it was.. this is hard.... but it didn't take long into my first ride to realize this was a way better seat!!

I'm very very happy with my Russell and would recommend them to anyone.. but it would be hard not to try Rich's seats if he is that close to you. Does he have a money back if your not satisfied policy like Russell does?
+1 on what you said about the Russel.
 

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I have never heard a negative comment about Rich
The people who tried to tell Rich how to make their seat. Tell him everything about what your seat's problems are and what you need. Let him tell you how to make the seat that solves your problems. Rich is a good listener...ask anything about seats and you'll get an informative answer. Rich made me a very good seat, than I returned and had him improve it for more room for my ischial tuberocities (sit bones)--modifications to the seat after 1000 miles of riding (so the leather can break in) are included in the deal. Now it is a great seat that is just right for me.
 

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Experience with Rich's Custom Seats

After three years and 25,000 miles on an ever-changing combo of the OEM seat, a Sargent Worldsport, an Alaska sheepskin, an AirHawk pad, and a Utopia rider's backrest... I finally decided to reward myself with a custom-built seat for the next 25,000 miles. I closely examined a variety of builders, with primary focus on Rich's, Russell Day Long, and Mr. Ed's Moto. Based on geographical convenience and confidence gained from references and phone discussions I selected Rich's.

Making the appointment was easy and lead time, being early Fall, was only about a week or so. When you arrive at Rich's, located on the Kitsap Peninsula at the Kingston end of the ferry from Edmonds, you pull off the main highway into a cluster of metal buildings, very industrial, all of whom see to provide auto-related services. However as you reach the end of the "row", with Rich's at the end, the character changes completely. Very neat, clean, and almost a park-like setting.

This is the first view:



Though I realize I didn't take a single picture inside the shop, it is quite impressive. They have the space and ability to serve a half-dozen or more clients simultaneously with ease. First-rate equipment, materials and a confidence-inspiring knowledge of all things "butt-related"! :yesnod:

Outside the shop is a large camping area for clients, multiple electrical and water connections, and bathrooms. Upstairs over the shop is a fabulous 2 bedroom apartment available to clients for a nominal charge... something like $50/night.





First and foremost Rich, who personally supervises each job, strips the OEM covering and conducts a set of measurements, marking the foam as he goes. A couple of refinements, a discussion of my riding style and preferences, and I am released to enjoy the grounds, the coffee, the WiFi, etc. About two hours later is my first test ride pictured here:




Pretty darn close, even in the initial form. After a discussion of seat covering choices and my selection of a quick-release rider's backrest, I was pointed in the direction of a wooded trail behind the shop that lands about 1/8 mile away at a shopping center with several lunch choices. I chose Mexican.

Several of Rich's personal treasures are around the shop, one of which is a 2011 CVO/"Screaming Eagle" Road Glide. The most interesting for sure was what you see here:






At one point Rich even took a little girl that was there with her parents for a ride! By the way, the sidecar mounted "gun" really shoots -- WATER!



Around 2:00 PM I was summoned for a final test ride on the finished product, which immediately felt great. Here it is without the backrest:




Here it is with the backrest inserted:




As they were finished about 2:30 and I already had a local reservation for that evening I decided to head for the northwestern most point of land in the State of Washington, a place called Neah Bay. So out there and back that night was about 300 miles total, over about 7 hours, and the seat felt great.

The next morning I headed out from the hotel, initially planning to do a 400 mile trip over the top and down the west side of the Olympic Peninsula, including some gravel roads in the Hoh Rainforest and southern Olympic National Park areas. However it was dumping rain, forecasted to do so all day long, and my heart just wasn't in riding through 50 degree rain all day long. So I headed on back home, about 190 miles, with rain pretty much all the way. But again, the seat was great.

Only another couple hundred miles since returning home and the seat still seems like a real game-changer, but will have to get more miles on it to reach a definitive conclusion. About $900 total invested for the custom fitting, seat build including gel, rider's backrest, and the whole thing covered in truly premium leather with color-matched top-stitching. A big number, but not much more than I had invested in the Sargent, Utopia, Alaska Sheepskin and Airhawk collection that I have previously used with mixed results.

I have done two 1,000 mile days on my prior combo and regularly do 400-500 miles. So that will be the real test of the Rich's product, but at this point I am cautiously optimistic.

However as to the process, facility, people and the overall Rich's experience I was wholly-impressed. :thumbup:
 

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What kind of money with the back rest?
 

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... About $900 total invested for the custom fitting, seat build including gel, rider's backrest, and the whole thing covered in truly premium leather with color-matched top-stitching. A big number, but not much more than I had invested in the Sargent, Utopia, Alaska Sheepskin and Airhawk collection that I have previously used with mixed results.
Admittedly it was buried at the bottom of the message, but the answer is about $900 out the door. Basically $500 for the custom build, and extra $100 for leather, and about $300 for the backrest fitting and build.
 
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