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Race Tech Emulator Setup Advice?

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Hi guys, I'm installing Racetech Gold Valve Emulators in my '07 DL650, and even after hours pouring over different setups and experiences from members on this forum I'm still trying to figure out a good starting point for the setup.

I'm 150 lbs with gear, and here's what Racetech spit out for my weight and riding style (adventure/intermediate):

.96 springs
Blue 40lb spring 2.75 turns preload
3 valve holes in emulator
10w fork oil
150mm oil level
20mm preload
35mm sag

. 95kg/mm sounded a bit stiff, so I went with the equivalent of roughly .90 by cutting 2" off my fork springs based on other's experience. With that in mind: What emulator spring do you guys recommend (I've seen recommendations ranging from silver spring (26lb) 1 turn to blue (40lb) at varying preloads)? 3 bleed holes or 4? Fork oil weight? What's the latest advice on plugging the small hole at the top of the damper? Necessary? (racetech makes no mention) Thanks in advance, I feel like the more I read up on these the more confused I get.
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"I feel like the more I read up on these the more confused I get."


Cutting down the springs makes them firmer, not softer. Weight of oil is what the manufacturer recommends and likely the same type. The numbers on various manufacturers bottles have only a vague resemblance to viscosity. There are some tables on the internet which you can use as a cross reference.
Try this:

Setup may be a problem unless they changed the shim stack for DL's. Lots of light shims was 'make magic happen' for me but paid a professional suspension tuner and my riding conditions are likely different from yours. I was after stability at speed on very washboarded roads.
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Hi Pete, I meant to say that I cut down my stock fork springs, which were alleged to be progressive from .70kg/mm to .80, ending up with a stiffer ~.90 spring rate. Regarding fork oil, I've read on here of people using anything from 2.5wt up to 15wt oil with these emulator valves, which seems a little odd that there's not more of a consensus because as I understand it, the oil weight is the determining factor in the rebound dampening with emulators, but recommendations are all over the place (although seems like 7.5-10wt is most recommended so I'm thinking of starting there. The forks are the stock dampener forks, so no shim stacks.
Fairly sure Gold Valves have an internal shim stack. There are other types that don't.

Check out the weight of the various ATF's, they don't span an enormous range but are very reliable between brands and more modern gets lighter. Suggesting that because ATF is easier to get than fork oil, is more stable and viscosity is always the same for the same spec ATF - and seems to be close to the range you want.
I found the best performance with zero preload on the spring. It's been a while, but IIRC, the blue springs are the supplied springs and I'd suggest to throw them away as they are too stiff. I bought some much lighter springs from McMaster Carr and those were my preference. IIRC, the McMaster Carr springs were something like a 12 or 15 lb/in spring rate, as opposed to the RT springs being about 2X or 3X higher rate.

You'll want to go fairly light on the emulator springs as you're not a very heavy person and the .90 springs will keep the front end up.

The big issue which you will find with the RT emulators, is that with enough experimenting, you will find somewhat reasonable compression dampening performance, but- you will never ever get any sort of good rebound control. The rebound is still controlled by the fixed opening damper rod holes, meaning that your bike's rebound will be in the 1970s.

The size of the top hole in the damper rod will depend on the weight of the fork fluid which you are using. I was using 7.5 (mix of 5 wt and 10 wt), and I welded the top holes shut and then redrilled with a smaller size. I don't exactly recall, but I think I drilled 3/32".

Overall, you will be able to improve the DL650's fork action, but don't get your expectations too high. To get the fork performance into the 2000s, you'll need to pop for a cartridge kit such as a Traxxion or Andreani.

Good luck with it all and hope this helps.
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Overall, you will be able to improve the DL650's fork action, but don't get your expectations too high. To get the fork performance into the 2000s, you'll need to pop for a cartridge kit such as a Traxxion or Andreani.

Good luck with it all and hope this helps.
I have never heard of cartridge fork kits, so I Googled the brands that you listed.

Here are the websites to them if anyone else is interested:

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I did manage to get Race-tech emulators to work extremely well FWIW. But that was with professional help.

One of the critical tuning aids was lengths of timber bolted across the tuners driveway with around 18" separation. Once I could ride across those without my teeth rattling, was good ;)
Thanks @Bazooka Joe, that's helpful advice. I did receive some sliver 26 pound springs with the kit, in addition to the 40 lb blue and the even heavier yellow. The general feeling I get reading all these old emulator threads is they're too harsh when people put them in using the blue or yellow springs, so I think I may try the silver ones out, with the stock 3 hole valve plate, 10-15w oil(? some here strongly recommend 15wt or even 20) and see what happens. That's interesting about making the rebound hole smaller, I've only read where guys plug the hole completely, and others who say race tech advises not to touch it (not sure how reliable RT advice is for our bikes, seems like everyone has to deviate from their recommendations). Would you recommend plugging it, or making it smaller as you did?

My goal here is hopefully a front end that gives more feedback and less wallowing in corners (front feels vague and tends to wander just a little at full lean, although a fork brace did help), and off-road a little more plushness at higher speeds over rocky terrain would be nice (might be asking too much though).

Pete, here's a diagram of the emulator valves:
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Unsure, but I think that check plate can be replaced with a stack of smaller shims for more compliance. I never touched the Gold Valves myself so I could be wrong. The suspension with those installed was vastly better than stock though.

My next 650 I used Ricor Intiminators instead. I found those better on nasty anything but quite harsh on relatively smooth seal. Something I knew about going in but worth it for me for the stability off road.
Unsure, but I think that check plate can be replaced with a stack of smaller shims for more compliance. I never touched the Gold Valves myself so I could be wrong. The suspension with those installed was vastly better than stock though.

My next 650 I used Ricor Intiminators instead. I found those better on nasty anything but quite harsh on relatively smooth seal. Something I knew about going in but worth it for me for the stability off road.
What weight oil did you use for the Ricor? 5W Amsoil?
2.5 WT when I was mainly offroad, 5 WT castrol when I was mainly riding on road. That wasn't changing every weekend, that was about 2 years of relatively frequent offroad riding which backed off after I had a heart attack. (Everyone else was scared to ride with me after that, he might have another attack and we'd have to give him CPR .... eeewww)

The 5WT castrol is a bit heavy (O.K. on relatively smooth seal and it'd be a good choice for a track day) 2.5 WT is really hard to get here now so I live with teh front not being as compliant on the little dirt I do ride now.
Thanks @Bazooka Joe, that's helpful advice. I did receive some sliver 26 pound springs with the kit, in addition to the 40 lb blue and the even heavier yellow. The general feeling I get reading all these old emulator threads is they're too harsh when people put them in using the blue or yellow springs, so I think I may try the silver ones out, with the stock 3 hole valve plate, 10-15w oil(? some here strongly recommend 15wt or even 20) and see what happens. That's interesting about making the rebound hole smaller, I've only read where guys plug the hole completely, and others who say race tech advises not to touch it (not sure how reliable RT advice is for our bikes, seems like everyone has to deviate from their recommendations). Would you recommend plugging it, or making it smaller as you did?

My goal here is hopefully a front end that gives more feedback and less wallowing in corners (front feels vague and tends to wander just a little at full lean, although a fork brace did help), and off-road a little more plushness at higher speeds over rocky terrain would be nice (might be asking too much though).
Glad to help out. Yes, RT is out to lunch with their suggested settings.

Here's what I would suggest.
First, take a coat hanger for removing the RT emulator from your assembled fork. Bend up a hook which clicks into the RT Emulator. This will be really handy for future tuning.
If I were to set up your fork, I would use the lightest RT spring at no more than 1/8 turn preload. Yes, just 1/8th. For the damper rod, I would weld the top hole shut and drill to 3/32, positioned at 2" below the bottom of the damper rod's "head" (should be stock location). 7.5 wt fluid at recommended height (or maybe 15mm lower) with the emulator installed. (emulator raises the fluid level 10mm or so). Spring preload of 15mm, you can use the preload adjuster to fine tune for more preload if desired.
Thanks @Bazooka Joe. I came across an emulator thread from like 13 years ago where you had a lot of good advice there as well. Just wanted to clarify about the rebound hole in the fork damper rod; there's one stock hole that's about 2" down from the head of the rod, but that hole is already at 3/32". That is the hole that people mention to braze/weld, correct? I"m thinking I may leave the hole open for now and see what results I get, and may close them later if the rebound feels too quick.

I just installed the silver springs on the emulators, and couldn't really feel when exactly the spring started to apply pressure to the plate, so I resorted to using a toothpick on a scale to push up on the valve plate, and set them to start opening at about 240g of force (about .5lbs). There's very little pressure holding them down, and I figure it'll be a good starting point. Based on some calculations it seems the usable range for the valve plate is about 3.5mm until fully opened, allowing the same volume of oil as the diameter of the center hole opening, and based on a "toothpick scale test", that would mean the valve starts to open at .5lbs, and 7lbs of force completely opens it. Not really significant on it's own, but could be useful when measuring against the characteristics of the other spring weights I guess.

I've settled on some equivalent of "10 weight" Valvoline Dextron III ATF fluid as a starting point (mostly because it's cheap and readily available). It has a Kinematic Viscosity of 34.5 @40c, right about in the middle of comparable "10w" fork oils (at least at 40c). Comparing data sheets with the popular Mobil 1 synthetic ATF, it is almost indistinguishable in every metric (VI, KV40, KV100 etc.). If it "lasts" as long as Mobil 1 it should be a suitable substitute at a much cheaper price. Mobil 1 and Valvoline both have a Viscosity Index of about 175, so not as good as some of the better fork oils, but on par with others.***

***Based on way too much recent research, the higher the VI, the less susceptible the oil is to changes in viscosity based on temperature changes, so higher is better. If you want your forks to feel more similar in the winter and summer, go with a higher VI index. Here and here are some data tables of popular fork oils, including VI.

I"m about ready to quit reading and start rebuilding the forks tomorrow, and I'll write an update when I get everything assembled and tested.
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I"m about ready to quit reading and start rebuilding the forks tomorrow, and I'll write an update when I get everything assembled and tested.
That's a good plan just to get going. The top rebound hole- I don't recall if it was 3/32 (~2.5mm) or if that is the dimension to redrill. The size of this hole will be related to the fork fluid viscosity. The ATF is probably a good starting point. Do not use 20wt. Whoever suggested the 20wt had no clue.

Keep us posted.
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Got everything buttoned up, set sag, and took it for a 20min quick ride around town. Initial impressions are positive. I need to do some actual twisties and off-road, but it's definitely an improvement. Less fork dive and general upsetting-ness, feels more connected to the road, more feedback. I think much can be attributed to the stiffer fork springs. I'm interested to see how it goes off-road, and on larger high-speed hits.

One note when installing the emulators, you need to be careful to seat them properly on top of the fork damper rods. I watched a youtube video where the guy just basically just chucked them into the fork tubes and called it a day, and I did the same, then had about 30mm of extra preload when I tried to screw on the fork tube tops. Turned out the emulator was canted in the fork tube, and not seated on top of the damper rod correctly, and I had to fish them out and gently coax them onto the seat properly (Props to Joe for suggesting to make a coat hangar "fisher" tool, instantly came in handy!).

Just to sum up my current settings:
145Lbs rider
.90kg fork springs
RT Emulators
damper rod holes drilled out, stock rebound hole unchanged.
3 bleed holes in plate
Silver 26 pound spring ~ 1/8 turn of preload (starts to open with about 6oz of force via "toothpick" test)
Valvoline ATF fluid (about 10 "weight" equivalent fork oil)
About 155-160mm fluid depth (150mm was recommended by RT, went a bit more to try out less air damping)
Forks raised about 10mm in fork tubes (lowered front 10mm).
Fork brace (Good quality one on Aliexpress for $20, one of the best cheap upgrades I've done).

Once I put some actual ride time on it I'll give another update, and any changes I make to the emulators. Thanks again to everyone who gave their input, feel like it put me ahead at good starting point for these.
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