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I've read about 20 threads on aftermarket bars and I can't seem to figure something out. Ok, I'm looking for bars with less "pullback", meaning I want the ends to be more parallel to the middle of the bar than the stock bars.

Everyone raves about the ProTaper SE ATV High bars. Two times now I went to the local store and held those bars up to the stock 650 bars. Unless I'm missing something obvious, the pullback on the bars is basically identical to the stock bars.

The ProTaper site states that the SE ATV High bars have a sweep of 100mm. I believe the stock bars have a 200+ mm sweep, right? So, in theory, the ATV Highs should have a much lesser pullback. Or no?

I looked at some other ProTaper SE bars to compare. They had much less sweep back, but they were also much shorter (about half the raise), so they didn't clear the tank very well and would need risers.

So, can someone confirm that the ProTaper SE ATV High bars are basically identical to stocks in terms of pullback?

I'd like to have the stock height, I just need less pullback. Price isn't an issue, quality and comfort is :)
 

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I've been looking, but I haven't found any (still valid) side-by-side pictures to compare them to the stock bars. I'm either looking at the wrong bar in the store, or it's mislabeled (which, actually, may be the case). Anyone have a shot of what I should be expecting?

Thank you in advance :)
 

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I've read about 20 threads on aftermarket bars and I can't seem to figure something out. Ok, I'm looking for bars with less "pullback", meaning I want the ends to be more parallel to the middle of the bar than the stock bars.

Everyone raves about the ProTaper SE ATV High bars. Two times now I went to the local store and held those bars up to the stock 650 bars. Unless I'm missing something obvious, the pullback on the bars is basically identical to the stock bars.

The ProTaper site states that the SE ATV High bars have a sweep of 100mm. I believe the stock bars have a 200+ mm sweep, right? So, in theory, the ATV Highs should have a much lesser pullback. Or no?

I looked at some other ProTaper SE bars to compare. They had much less sweep back, but they were also much shorter (about half the raise), so they didn't clear the tank very well and would need risers.

So, can someone confirm that the ProTaper SE ATV High bars are basically identical to stocks in terms of pullback?

I'd like to have the stock height, I just need less pullback. Price isn't an issue, quality and comfort is :)


Somewhere someone once posted that the stock bars have 200+mm of pull back. That's just wrong. I recently/am currently going through some bar swapping of my own. The stock bars only have approximately 127mm off pull back which basically equates to 1 inch more than the SE ATV High bars.

Here are the specs for the stock bars.

Pull Back=127mm
Rise=95.25mm
Height=120.65
Width=742.95mm
Clamp=177.8mm

Something that I just discovered with Renthal bars v. Pro Taper.

The Rise dimension of renthal bars is measured from the center line of the clamp area to the center line of the top bend. The height dimension is measured from the center line of the clamp area to the center line of the end of the bar.

It appears that even though pro-taper uses the term "rise" in it's demension what they are really measuring to is the height dimension as defined by renthal.

Here's a dimension legend from Renthal

 

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...I'm looking for bars with less "pullback", meaning I want the ends to be more parallel to the middle of the bar than the stock bars....
Get yourself a set of the MSR, ATV low bars. I have the ATV high on mine and there is less pullback than the stock bars, but I wanted more height. The lows have even less pullback without being higher, and I found mine for under $15.00. They're a steel, Ø7/8" bar so they just bolt right into the stock clamps and the stock bar end weights work fine too.

 

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hmmmm...they're available from most bike shops, and usually at a better price, not that $28.00 is comparable to the $80.00 to $100.00 some guys are paying for the "designer" bars. Like I said, I picked mine up for under $15.00, I think it was $11.95, plus tax, if I remember.
 

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hmmmm...they're available from most bike shops, and usually at a better price, not that $28.00 is comparable to the $80.00 to $100.00 some guys are paying for the "designer" bars. Like I said, I picked mine up for under $15.00, I think it was $11.95, plus tax, if I remember.

I got a set of the MSR's before I went with protaper to make sure I liked the height at sweep.

MSR's have a lot more flex noticable on rough roads...
 

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MSR's have a lot more flex noticable on rough roads...
...to help soak up the vibrations. I've had my bike fully loaded and caught it by one grip when it was going over. If the bars didn't break from that they won't break when you're pottering along on rough roads.

I understand the alu bars have more cool and cache but, let's admit it, they are expensive overkill for 99.9999% of Strom riders.
 

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...to help soak up the vibrations. I've had my bike fully loaded and caught it by one grip when it was going over. If the bars didn't break from that they won't break when you're pottering along on rough roads.

I understand the alu bars have more cool and cache but, let's admit it, they are expensive overkill for 99.9999% of Strom riders.

Not worried about breaking the bars, just the flex. I agree I'm not riding trails, so it is over kill as far as that goes.

For me it's a noticeable "more connected" feeling to the front end of the bike. Less flexing on bumps and better feel when cranking on the bars in turns.. Maybe not worth the extra 50$ to some, but that's subjective...

It's kind of like adding a fork brace. Just one more thing that tightens up the front end..
 

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...Less flexing on bumps and better feel when cranking on the bars in turns...

..It's kind of like adding a fork brace..
How much effort do you put into the bars when you're moving?

I'd say the rubber mounts on the triple clamp pretty much negate any more connectedness from using alu bars.

Its okay to put something on your bike for the cool factor. Don't worry.:cool:

The fork brace is another situation.
 

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Well......I didn't buy my aluminum bars for any "cool factor", I bought them because there is a difference between superior and inferior. You get what you pay for IMHO, but the MSR bars are still better than the stockers. My Protapers don't flex, are much thicker walled than steel, and they do look awful pretty. The strange sweep/pull back of the stock bars is really bad, but my hands and wrists have been happy ever since the switch.

In conclusion....buy what you want, most anything else will be an improvement.;) By the way....a fork brace is a well made investment as far as I'm concerned.
 

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How much effort do you put into the bars when you're moving?

I'd say the rubber mounts on the triple clamp pretty much negate any more connectedness from using alu bars.

Its okay to put something on your bike for the cool factor. Don't worry.:cool:

The fork brace is another situation.
Weestrom doesn't have rubber mounts. It's a direct connection to the triple tree..

Otherwise, I can tell the difference between the bars. I can feel it. To me that's enough.
 

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Well, I decided to bite the bullet and I ordered a set of Pro Taper ATV Hi bars. I strongly considered the MSR bars, but I really like the look and quality of Pro Taper. If I hate them, they'll be up for sale shortly ;)

Anyway, thank you all for the feedback!
 

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Heavy is the GO TO MAN. Listen up guys.

For over a year now when ever I have had a question and want the straight no bull sheeiit answer I have asked Heavy. So, now where can I get a set, what is the PN and how much rise is there? IF you say they will work, then they will work.

The question is tho, as when using risers, what do you do with the blessed brake line? I have risers that go from .75 to 1.5 inches but can not use them because of the line bring to short.

Also, does the cross bar and pad interfer with looking or seeing the gauges or anything else?


Get yourself a set of the MSR, ATV low bars. I have the ATV high on mine and there is less pullback than the stock bars, but I wanted more height. The lows have even less pullback without being higher, and I found mine for under $15.00. They're a steel, Ø7/8" bar so they just bolt right into the stock clamps and the stock bar end weights work fine too.

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I just want to post an update. I went ahead and installed the ATV High bars. They do in fact have less pullback than the stocks, enough to be noticeable. For the most part, swapping the controls from the old bars to the new was pretty straight forward. I had to get some more slack on the brake line, but otherwise everything fit as expected. Only took it for a short spin around the neighborhood, but so far I like them. Thanks for all the tips!
 

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Hey D-Dog, you're ruining my reputation here. I'm nothing but a sarcastic, critical, negative, asshole...don't you realize?

You can get the bars from most shops. If they don't have them hanging on the wall, they can get them easy enough. I walked into a place and found them on sale for $12.00.

The part number is in the chart but, to most, they're just the MSR ATV-high bar.

The rise is shown in the table I attached too.

Initially, I was able to squeeze enough extra brake line to install the bars with no changes. I later went to braided steel lines and I ordered them with 2 inches extra length.

The cross bar pad is just held on with velcro. Mine was in the garbage before I got the bars home.

For over a year now when ever I have had a question and want the straight no bull sheeiit answer I have asked Heavy. So, now where can I get a set, what is the PN and how much rise is there? IF you say they will work, then they will work.

The question is tho, as when using risers, what do you do with the blessed brake line? I have risers that go from .75 to 1.5 inches but can not use them because of the line bring to short.

Also, does the cross bar and pad interfer with looking or seeing the gauges or anything else?


Get yourself a set of the MSR, ATV low bars. I have the ATV high on mine and there is less pullback than the stock bars, but I wanted more height. The lows have even less pullback without being higher, and I found mine for under $15.00. They're a steel, Ø7/8" bar so they just bolt right into the stock clamps and the stock bar end weights work fine too.

 

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I too am considering this. I think I would have to go with ATV Low bars if I wanted to continue to use my GenMar risers. Or I can sell the risers and go with the ATV High bars. Are the dimensions of the MSR High bars the same as those of the ProTaper? I can't seem to find the specs on the ATV High from ProTaper.
 
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