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Ok wise ones, I've reached the limits of my GPS knowledge and I need some guidance.

Last year I downloaded the gpx file for the MABDR from their website. I found out that Tyre to Travel couldn't open the file correctly; all the waypoints were out of order, and the map looked like someone threw a plate of spaghetti at the screen. I ended up buying the Butler map of the MABDR, and recreating the route in Tyre in a form that my GPS ( a Gamin Nuvi LM2455) could read. I had to do it using multiple waypoints, and ended up doing the route in four segments because evidently my Nuvi can't handle single file containing more than 400 waypoints. Any file bigger than 400 waypoints can't be read by the Nuvi; in fact, any file that big doesn't even show up in Trip Planner. Same thing happened when I tried to load the MABDR .gpx file from their website directly onto my Nuvi by dragging and dropping it using file manager on my computer; my Nuvi can't "see" it (even though I can see the file in the GPX folder on the Nuvi), probably because it's got thousands of route points on it. In any event, I had a workable solution until today.

I found a file on line from a rider over on ADV Rider who provided an excellent map of the MABDR that including a lot of good info on things like water crossings, bike shops, campgrounds, etc. I'd like to use this map, but once again, MyRoute (the replacement program for Tyre to Travel) can't open the file. MyRoute can't even open a file with any more than 200 waypoints. Since I can't open it, I can't even recreate the route in a format that'll work with my Nuvi. I can open the file in Basecamp, but I can't export the file from Basecamp to my Nuvi. Once again, I think it's because the MABDR file is a track, and my Nuvi can't read a track with thousands of points on it. And I'd prefer to use a track rather than a route with waypoints, since a Gamin will try to reroute you on a route if you stray off it, and I'd rather be routed back to the specific track.

The file did seem to load onto OsmAnd, but the fact is, I hate using OsmAnd. I can't get the hang of it, and it frustrates me to no end.

Basically, I just want to be able to load this MABDR file into a navigation unit and have it work, in the least complicated way possible. I've never had a motorcycle specific GPS like a Zumo, so maybe someone here can tell me if they've been able to load the entire MABDR .gpx file into a Zumo (or another GPS model) and have it function, without any tweaking, reformatting, etc. Alternately, if someone here used a phone navigation app and was able to load the MABDR file and it worked, care to share what app you used?

I'm shooting for riding the MABDR next year, so I do have some time to work this out.
 

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The older garmin devices have a lower limit on number of points in a track. Basecamp should be able to condense the track down, but honestly the route gets tricky on your GPS. I've done it before you kinda guesstimate when you are on or off the route. But it may be time for a better offroad GPS. There are a lot of good options out there for pretty cheap now. I've been really happy with my rhino 650.

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Try this one. It's a condensed version I got from ADVRider.
Can't upload a .GPX...wth?
PM me and I'll get it to you.
 

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Hi PineLaneRider,

I got your PM, and I did download that MABDR Lite file (and many thanks for that). Unfortunately, this is what that file looks like when I open it on MyRoute:



That's basically what happened when I tried importing the original file from the MABDR website into Tyre to Travel when I first started looking at this route. It's the "spaghetti" I described in my post. I also tried to export the route from MyRoute to my Nuvi 2455, and MyRoute gives me an error message that it can't find my GPS. This hasn't happened with any of the usual routes I export to my GPS. I also tried dragging and dropping the MABDR Lite file into the .gpx folder on the Nuvi; I can see the file in the right folder in the Nuvi when I look at it in the file manager on my computer, but when I access the Trip Planner feature, the file isn't there.

I am able to open the MABDR Lite file in Basecamp, and it looks the way it should. However, when I try to export the file from Basecamp to the Nuvi, once again it doesn't show up. It's nowhere on the Nuvi (I searched the Nuvi with File Manager, and it can't find the file anywhere). These are the same frustrations I went through last year that caused me to create an entirely new file specifically on Tyre to Travel; this file would open properly on Tyre (and also on MyRoute), and would export properly to my GPS. I can't explain why this is happening; my guess is that there's some deficiency in the Nuvi, but I don't know what it is. I do have the MABDR files that I created, and they do work on the Nuvi; the problem is that the MABDR file I downloaded from the guy on ADV Rider has a lot of POIs that it would be nice to have, and I'd really like to use that file for the trip. I suspect that the solution is either go with the files I've already created or else get a different GPS, but I'm still hoping someone smarter than I am can help me figure this out.
 

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Just a thought, can that GPS follow tracks offroad? BDR tracks dont always follow streets recognized on the base map and your GPS may be giving you the spaghetti trying to route you around to each point.

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Found this thread all about using nuvi GPS https://advrider.com/f/threads/garmin-nuvi-car-gps-as-a-budget-250-adv-setup.863174/
Apparently they do not support tracks, so you do not get turn by turn instructions. But it sounds like you should be able to display the track on your map then follow the line.

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Actually I do get turn by turn directions. If I create a route on a navigation program like Tyre, Furkot, MyRoute, etc, the file I upload to my Nuvi will give me turn by turn directions. Those routes are created pretty much the same way a route is created on Google maps; you add waypoints to locations on the map, and the program chooses the route between those points. If the route isn't where you want it to be, you can drag it to where you want it, or you can add waypoints to a route not chosen by the program and force the route to follow the roads you want. Those types of routes may only generate 20 waypoints for a trip a hundred miles long. If I upload a route created like that to my Nuvi, it follows it turn by turn.

Now, if I try to upload a track that was created by someone who was actually riding the route, and the GPS is recording a waypoint at specific intervals, those routes won't even load to my navigation program; there are too many points. I think the MABDR file had thousands of waypoints (I keep calling them that, but maybe that's the wrong term). It looks like a point gets created about every tenth of a mile. maybe even more. Neither my navigation program nor my Nuvi can open a route like that. My guess is that you're right, and a Nuvi can't support route tracks. I'd like to be able to use a track, because (if I'm correct) a GPS following a track will try and return you specifically back to that track if you wander off it. With the kinds of routes I usually create, if I'm riding along and I miss a waypoint, the GPS will try and route me back to that waypoint. If I tell the GPS to skip that waypoint and go to the next one, it may not have me follow the original route, and will route me along the shortest distant to the waypoint I want to skip to. On the routes I create to use on a trip, that's usually not a problem, since I use enough waypoints that are close enough together that the GPS can't waver too much from the path in order to route me to the next waypoint. However, I'd still like to use the already created MABDR tracks (either the ones from the website or the ones that were created by others). That's a lot easier than me having to recreate the file from scratch in a form that my Nuvi can read, plus I lose all that POI information that's included on the original files. And if the MADBR route gets updated, as it already has, I can't simply download the newly updated route; I have to open the MABDR update in Basecamp, then search it for the updated section to see what it looks like, then make those corrections to my own files. It ends up just creating a lot of work.

The answer to all this may be as simple as "a Nuvi can't do what I'm asking". I'm hoping someone joins in the thread here who's actually downloaded this file from the MABDR website and used it on their GPS, and how they went about it and what sort of GPS/equipment they used.

For what it's worth, this is a screenshot of what a recreated version of Section 1 of the MABDR looks like, for use on a Garmin Nuvi. I'm sure it'll work, but when I do it this way I lose a lot of info from the original file, including alternate routes, expert sections, workarounds, water crossings, etc.

 

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For an Android app Galileo Pro, Locus, and Kurviger come to mind. If your going to use a Nuvi, I'd just load the track as a map overlay.

Either create the map like this:
https://advrider.com/f/threads/using-a-garmin-nuvi-as-an-adv-gps.1186658/


Or buy it here:
MABDR - gpsKevin Adventure Rides



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Thanks Nick. I see from GPSKevin's site that he specifically references using a Nuvi, so maybe I explore that route and save myself a lot of work.
 

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Which model of nuvi do you have?

It might very well not be able to follow tracks.

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I have an LM2455. According to GPSKevin, that model won't follow them, so that may have answered my overriding question, and that I may have to shop for a different unit.
 

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When you open the track file in Basecamp (I know it sucks) you should be able to see a track and, if it exists in the file, a route. You will need to load the track to a GPS that is track capable. It will not do routing for you just show the track like a line drawn on the map.

So check in Basecamp what format the file actually is. Tracks will have up to several 1000 track points. They can be condensed but only to a point or else you won't be able to see where to turn in the woods.

My ZUMO 590 can do both routes and tracks. My ancient hiking GPS (Oregon) will also show the track.
 

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If your Nuvi has a SD card slot, you should be able to use the MABDR track as an overlay. Take this file, put on a SD card in a folder named Garmin, and plug it into the Nuvi. Viola, track shows up.
 

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I went through this same issue in August leading up to riding the MABDR the first week of September. I spent countless hours trying to get the track to work on my Garmin drive 5LM (newer version of a Nuvi). I had the tracks in basecamp and transferred it to the gps and it showed up but the problem was it would reroute away from the track. I was a week away from leaving so I ordered the microsd card from GPSKevin and used it. I also loaded the gpx file from the MABDR website directly to my phone using the OSMand app. The phone worked fine for the route but I wanted to use the Garmin because I didn't want to take the chance of damaging the phone if I had a whoops. I paid $50 for the Garmin on Amazon. The GPSKevin card has the original MABDR track (blue line), a green line that I think is all pavement, and the expert sections in red. He also had additional expert sections near the start in VA that are not on the MABDR website. We rode the blue line and did the 2 expert sections on the MABDR website. I had someone on ADV trying to help me convert the gpx file to an .img file that would work on the Garmin. I never could get it to work but I spent A LOT of time trying!!! I know it is possible because GPSKevin is doing it, I'm just not that adept with the computer and the Garmin. Good luck and you will love riding the MABDR. Most fun trip that I have had in years!
 
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