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I took the time to look at, research, and compare 6 different tires I am interested in- the metzler Tourance, Bridgestone trailwing(TW152/TW101), Shinko 705 Fullbore m-40, heidenau k60 scout, and the Anakee 3.

My goal is to get the best mileage for the buck. A likely breakdown of my mileage will be highway (60%), City driving under 45 mph (25%) gravel roads(10%) and forest roads, sand or deep gravel (5%).

So, with an estimate of 3,500 miles off the shinkos as the cheapest to buy tire, I found the 'per mile price', and the mileage I would have to get out of them to buy them over the shinkos. Here's what I came up with.

PURCHASE PRICE/MILEAGE--TIRE BRAND
$170/3,500 miles--Shinko 705
$170/3,500 miles--Full bore m-40,
$260/5,352 miles--Bridgestone trailwing
$290/5,970 miles--Metzler Tourance
$309/6,361 miles--Michelin Anakee 3
$323/6,650 miles--Michelin Anakee 3
$339/6,975 miles--heidenau k60 scout


Given this is a highly unscientific/mathematic comparison, is a more expensive set actually likely to give me a higher cost/mile ratio? I'm still leaning towards the fullbores or shinkos...

I bought my 2007 VStrom May 2013 with 2785 miles on the stock trailwing tires. Now it currently has 6850 miles and only a few hundred more miles (tread is 2.5-2.75mm in depth) to go .
 

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shinko's and full bore are the same as the heidenau minus installation cost which makes the shinko's o full bore a better deal. done.
 

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I worry less about cost than getting what I want. This time around I am putting on a set of Anakee 3s. I do not like the look of a full on street tire for an ADV type bike. I hate the ride of bias ply tires. Knobbies are for masochists.

I will not put cheap tires on my cages and darn sure not on my bike.
 

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I assume you do your own changes?
You didn't factor the down time and actual wrenching time.

Aside from the lay-up bike time, what if you are planning a 4k mile bike trip and your tire is half worn? If you're riding on a lower mileage tire, you're definitely going to replace them. If it's a Michelin, you're fine. So, considering that, unless you're only commuting, you're more likely to hit the wear bars on a longer mileage, pricier tire.

I've got 12k miles on my Anakee 3'rear and, damn, other than the squaring off, I think they've still got a few thousand miles left. I like that. :thumb up:
 

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I assume you do your own changes?
You didn't factor the down time and actual wrenching time. '
My buddy has all the tools from when he spooned tires on his wee and he will mount them for me. He now has a bandit and the metzler 880s he puts on are too stiff but he said he shouldn't have any issues with the tires I'll get.

I have Michelin defenders on my Subaru Outback- I like them but they were cheaper than the bike tires!
 

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Aside from tire construction, wear rate is also dependent on riding style and terrain, temperature, asphalt type and condition, weather heavenly laden, pressure, etc.. My length of tire mileage has varied roughly 30% using the same tire. I think your mileage estimates are low but what's really relative should be choosing the style of tire based on your type of riding. If you do as much as 30% off road a DS tire would suit you best.
We've gotten between 5.5-8K on each of the last five 705's rears we've used. But I do not like the nature of the front 705 and will be switching over soon
 

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Not quite buying the mileage,
the Tourances I took off because they were hard as rock, had 12000or so miles on them,
the 705 I put on the rear has roughly 3600miles on it and has only worn 1mm from the original depth
the M40 on the front has negligible wear, can't differentiate on the guage from original depth at 3600 miles.
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Not seeing how your numbers will give you any kind of data as from my experience those numbers do not come close:var_30:
 

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Dang. I get more mileage out of my Shinko 705s than you do out of your Scouts.
 

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Correction

The mileage I listed on the first post was not actual ridden miles. It was more of a "if the average person puts shinkos on their bike and gets 3500 miles off a set, 'x' many miles is what they would have to get off the 'more expensive' tire options to make it worth their time, money and mileage.

So, if the shinkos got 3,500 miles for $170, I would have to get 6,975 miles on a pair of the Headenaus to make it worth the extra $169 purchase price.


4,500 miles on a shinko would mean almost 9,000 miles on a heidenau set of tires. For same per mile cost.
 

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Without actual ridden miles for each of the tyres you are merely guessing at your tyre cost per mile. :fineprint:

So why even bother :confused:

Original Bridgestone Trailwing tyres on my '09 Wee made around 13,000 kms [8,080 miles] for the rear.
*for basic conversion 1,000 kms = 621 miles*

Subsequent Tourance- 18,000/16,000 and 15,000 kms. respectively [I must be riding harder these days :jawdrop: ].
Anakee- 13,000 kms. [went on after the first set of Tourance]

Currently running Mitas E07's and they suit me well for my dirt/tar mix, I need to be slightly more careful on wet tar than the Tourance [which would be my preference if I did primarily tar and only a little dirt].
The Mitas sees me going quicker on the dirt, and with more confidence that I've done on the other brands/styles of tyres.
They are probably going to last for around 20'000-25'000 kms. based on tread depth wear measured at the 3,000 km mark.

Cost per kilometre is a secondary consideration for me, safety for my riding style and the types of roads/riding I do is where I place my first priority.

Check the tyre threads both here and on other forums to get a rough idea of the distances people are getting from the brands of tyres you are interested in, and read their comments on grip as well.

Then choose what you think will suit you best.

Bet you end up trying several different brands/types of tyres.... just as myself and many others have done. :mrgreen:
 

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The mileage I listed on the first post was not actual ridden miles. It was more of a "if the average person puts shinkos on their bike and gets 3500 miles off a set, 'x' many miles is what they would have to get off the 'more expensive' tire options to make it worth their time, money and mileage.

So, if the shinkos got 3,500 miles for $170, I would have to get 6,975 miles on a pair of the Headenaus to make it worth the extra $169 purchase price.


4,500 miles on a shinko would mean almost 9,000 miles on a heidenau set of tires. For same per mile cost.
I usually get between 8 and 10 thousand miles out of a rear 705. The front has somewhere around 20k miles it's going to get replaced due to cupping before it gets replaced due to wear.
 

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I usually get between 8 and 10 thousand miles out of a rear 705. The front has somewhere around 20k miles it's going to get replaced due to cupping before it gets replaced due to wear.
Yep- I'm going with the shinkos I think!
 

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cost per mile, you can't beat the Darkside

:thumbup: Over 50,000kms on my current (second) darkside tire..

recap on my 2009, 5 motorcycle tires in the first 65,000 kms

2 darkside tires for subsequent 95,000 kms....

I have you to thank Randy....:hurray:
 

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intangible

I like the thinking, but, while price per mile is important, that feeling you get from trying a new tire, and in the same _gravel spot / leaned-in turn / loose corner / wet stuff / etc._, and the new tire "X" _grips / brings itself back under the bike / gives feedback / generally kicks butt_ better than the old tire "Y" - that's money well spent.
Don't know that you can graph that ;)
You only get two small contact patches - choose them wisely.
 

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My math comes out the same cost per mile regardless of tire... what are your install costs??? That will be the determining factor.
 

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I got the new tires... I will likely be putting them on sometime in April/May. I picked up a set of Shinko 705s for $165 shipped from Chapparal. My stock trailwings are sitting at 7050 miles right now and I think I can get a bit more out of them.


New tires: and yes, the stickers are switched :)
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Old rear tire: has about 2-2.5 mm of tread in the center


Front tire comparison: old has about 2 mm of tread left
 

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I've done so well on the 705s , that I just don't see a better alternative for my use. I do get Much better mileage than you though.:confused: I'm getting 8K off rears , and my original is still up front at 13K+ now , just talking away.:mrgreen: Realistically , I use mine in a similar fashion as you , throwing in a bit of Twistys for good measure. They work Great.
 

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"But I do not like the nature of the front 705 and will be switching over soon"

The front Shinko does have an odd feel don't it? The rear had no change in handling, the front definitely different. No bad but takes more work to go into the corners.
Not enough to make me not buy them again. A good item for the cost.
 

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I have the Dunlop Trail Max TR91 and I truthfully could not be happier with them, and so far at approx 5k they are still wearing quite well. They are fantastic in the rain, and dry traction is on par with the Battlewings in my opinion. The TR91 is not a very well known tire for some strange reason, but has gotten great reviews on tire comparison tests. Yes the Shinkos are cheap and are a great tire for the money, but the wear reports and rougher ride is really turning me off. They are not cheap by any means, but are still slightly better than the Trail Attack II and the Anakee III.


 
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