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1. I mentioned elsewhere that brakes slow or stop the bike while breaks is what happens to the bike if it can't be braked in time. Brakes are there to prevent breaks. :surprise:

2. In most cases, quoting is a waste of space. Use the reply button instead of the quote button unless you are referring to a much earlier post and the context would be lost without it. Whenever I see somebody quote a 5 paragraph post followed by a "Thanks for that", I have to find the pill bottle. :furious: Avoid or trim quotes whenever possible.
 

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If I had your address I'd send a bottle of aspirin or a 750ml bottle of the painkiller of choice.
When I quote I try to use an abbreviated segment of the statement in quotes to give the poster the benefit of statement issue.
Some of the full page quotes do seem like overkill especially when a few people do the same thing.
Kinda like listing their entire lives collection of motorcycles with mods.
 

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Not using Quotes

While I understand using quotes increases the size of the post as Greywolf stated, not using the quote does not associate your post/reply to a particular post.

As my profile shows I joined the forum in January 2018 immediately after buying my 2003 DL1000. There are many things about this bike that I don't know and have questions. For the most part my inquiries have gone unanswered, the only time I actually got an answer was from a personal message I sent to Greywolf.

Even that was met with a degree of criticism as Greywolf stated he would answer my question but in the future wanted me to post questions to the open forum. That's great but at that point I had received no response for the forum and that's why I directed my question to Greywolf via private message.

Maybe I don't have something setup correctly so I see posts in response to my questions or posts. So at this point I am stuck spending hours reading long threads to try to answer questions I may have, instead of being to simply being able to ask a question and get an answer which is why I joined the forum in the 1st place.
 

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While I understand using quotes increases the size of the post as Greywolf stated, not using the quote does not associate your post/reply to a particular post.
If you are replying to the previous post, you don't need to quote. It's obvious where the reply is directed. If you're replying to a post that has multiple statements, you only need to quote the relevant passages - no need to quote 7 paragraphs when you're replying to a single one unless you're replying separately to each individual statement (as I have in this reply).

As my profile shows I joined the forum in January 2018 immediately after buying my 2003 DL1000. There are many things about this bike that I don't know and have questions. For the most part my inquiries have gone unanswered, the only time I actually got an answer was from a personal message I sent to Greywolf.
How long did you wait for a reply? In most instances on this forum, answers are given very quickly but having to wait 2 or 3 days for an answer is not unreasonable. Patience - you need someone with the knowledge that you seek to reply. Not everyone is constantly waiting beside their keyboard to answer your questions.

Even that was met with a degree of criticism as Greywolf stated he would answer my question but in the future wanted me to post questions to the open forum. That's great but at that point I had received no response for the forum and that's why I directed my question to Greywolf via private message.
The whole point of this forum is to benefit the entire community by sharing information. If you only answer by PM, it kind of defeats this. I agree with Greywolf -- post the questions (and answers) publicly.

Maybe I don't have something setup correctly so I see posts in response to my questions or posts. So at this point I am stuck spending hours reading long threads to try to answer questions I may have, instead of being to simply being able to ask a question and get an answer which is why I joined the forum in the 1st place.
Patience, man. Not everything can be answered in real time. As I mention above, you need to give time for those with the knowledge you seek to come forward.

How did we ever get by before the Internet?
 

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While I understand using quotes increases the size of the post as Greywolf stated, not using the quote does not associate your post/reply to a particular post.

As my profile shows I joined the forum in January 2018 immediately after buying my 2003 DL1000. There are many things about this bike that I don't know and have questions. For the most part my inquiries have gone unanswered, the only time I actually got an answer was from a personal message I sent to Greywolf.

Even that was met with a degree of criticism as Greywolf stated he would answer my question but in the future wanted me to post questions to the open forum. That's great but at that point I had received no response for the forum and that's why I directed my question to Greywolf via private message.

Maybe I don't have something setup correctly so I see posts in response to my questions or posts. So at this point I am stuck spending hours reading long threads to try to answer questions I may have, instead of being to simply being able to ask a question and get an answer which is why I joined the forum in the 1st place.
We are happy to help, but surely you have noticed that there are years and years and years of information and even "sticky threads" concerning questions, procedures and or issues with these bikes? If you are not wanting to pilfer through the appropriate section, my recommendation is to use "GOOGLE" and literally type in the question you seek and answer to, Google will almost always link you back to this forum to the appropriate threads.
 

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How long did you wait for a reply? In most instances on this forum, answers are given very quickly but having to wait 2 or 3 days for an answer is not unreasonable. Patience - you need someone with the knowledge that you seek to reply. Not everyone is constantly waiting beside their keyboard to answer your questions.
Plus, although this seems to have turned out to be a mostly US-centric forum, there are quite a few of us on here that live elsewhere. There's a whole subsection on Australia/New Zealand, but there's also quite a fair amount of posters from Europe. If any of those people happen to know the answer to your question, don't be surprised if it takes up to 24 hours before they even become aware of your question: They're asleep when you're awake and vice versa. And then the speed of the answer still depends on whether they've got time to answer - some of us do have a life outside this forum.

Oh, and while we're ranting anyway, can we get rid of the personalised font as well? I agree that occasionally a non-standard font, bold, italic, all caps, increased/decreased size or something else attention-grabbing may have its uses, but consistently posting everything in a non-standard font is a bad idea IMHO. Not only is it pretty annoying, but it also only works if the readers browser supports that font. If it doesn't, a substitute needs to be found. Which may lead to all sorts of other issues, including posts becoming completely unreadable.

We're not a paid helpdesk. I'm perfectly willing to spend some time here answering others peoples questions. But if I first have to adjust my browser settings to cope with non-standard fonts, or find my reading glasses to deal with fine print, or something else before I can read the questions in the first place, I'm not going to bother. Similarly, if I have to wade through multiple paragraphs of drivel or several layers of nested quotes, before someone gets to the point, I'm simply going to ignore things. If YOU want ME to spend time answering your question, then the least I can ask is that YOU spend time making your post as readable and to the point as you can for ME.
 

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If you are not wanting to pilfer through the appropriate section, my recommendation is to use "GOOGLE" and literally type in the question you seek and answer to, Google will almost always link you back to this forum to the appropriate threads.
I use Google in every way possible to help me search for answers to almost anything. Unfortunately I haven't found much help with my questions about my 15 year old V Strom.

Even using the search function in the forum doesn't result in links to the answers I seek. I'll give one example!

A few weeks ago I was going over my DL1000 synced the throttle bodies, no issue, then onto checking the calibration of the TPS. Even with the help of a factory service manual for my bike I could not locate the diagnosis post needed to put the bike in the "dealer mode".

I search Google and my other go to source YouTube for hours. Everyplace I looked they were telling me to look around the ECU for a white 6 pin connector with a rubber cover and 4 wires going to it. I had also asked for help locating on the forum, not answers.

After reading through page after page of posts I finally came across a post that indicated that not only had I been looking in the wrong place, but for the 2002-2003 DL1000 I was looking for the wrong plug configuration. Note I even called two local Suzuki dealers and they had no one even familiar with the 2003 model and referred me to the useless service manual.

So anyone else looking for the dealer diagnosis port on a 2002-2003 DL1000, here is that actual location;

It is under the left side rear side cover near the voltage regulator. It is also a white connector with a rubber cover, but it only has 4 pins and two wires going to it. To activate the dealer mode simply place a jumper between the two wires in the connector. I use a paper clip that I cut and bent for the job along with some heat shrink tubing to protect from shorting. See attached image.
 

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I just used the google Custom Search box at the top of this page. Typed in "Dealer mode". First non advertisement link that comes up tells you what you need to know.

I am one of those that often answer posts even when I am sure the OP didn't do much research. It can be a learning thing for everyone.

I am very tolerant of those that claim they tried to search or post about info needed.

I just cannot see anyone searching Google for hours and not finding an answer when my first attempt took seconds to net all that is needed.

Dealer mode search result
 

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I use Google in every way possible to help me search for answers to almost anything. Unfortunately I haven't found much help with my questions about my 15 year old V Strom.

Even using the search function in the forum doesn't result in links to the answers I seek. I'll give one example!

A few weeks ago I was going over my DL1000 synced the throttle bodies, no issue, then onto checking the calibration of the TPS. Even with the help of a factory service manual for my bike I could not locate the diagnosis post needed to put the bike in the "dealer mode".

I search Google and my other go to source YouTube for hours. Everyplace I looked they were telling me to look around the ECU for a white 6 pin connector with a rubber cover and 4 wires going to it. I had also asked for help locating on the forum, not answers.

After reading through page after page of posts I finally came across a post that indicated that not only had I been looking in the wrong place, but for the 2002-2003 DL1000 I was looking for the wrong plug configuration. Note I even called two local Suzuki dealers and they had no one even familiar with the 2003 model and referred me to the useless service manual.

So anyone else looking for the dealer diagnosis port on a 2002-2003 DL1000, here is that actual location;

It is under the left side rear side cover near the voltage regulator. It is also a white connector with a rubber cover, but it only has 4 pins and two wires going to it. To activate the dealer mode simply place a jumper between the two wires in the connector. I use a paper clip that I cut and bent for the job along with some heat shrink tubing to protect from shorting. See attached image.
You need to brush up on your skills......... I put into Google "2002 v strom 1000 dealer mode" and here is what I had come up.

http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl1000-2002-2012/46273-dealer-mode-dl1000-2003-a.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WATERPROOF-Dealer-mode-tool-switch-Suzuki-DL-1000-V-Strom-02-03-/251023354530

So I will say with great certainty, that 99% of the answers a V-Strom owner seeks.......IS already here.
 

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Lots of quotes in the replies for a "please don't use quotes in your replies" thread...

And thanks for the dealer mode info. Haven't needed it yet but I'm certain it will come in handy!
 

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Several times I replied to an inquiry with a link I found by simply entering the info into the google box at the top of the page and going through the results.
There is so much info out there in easy grasp.
I find gobs of good info just reading the daily posts about folks problems...that I haven't had yet.
Lots of times eyes roll reading about the same question asked for the umpteenth time.
 

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1. I mentioned elsewhere that brakes slow or stop the bike while breaks is what happens to the bike if it can't be braked in time. Brakes are there to prevent breaks. :surprise:
Greywolf, you are my hero, and my sensei. This is something that has made me cringe forever. There is really no reason for their mis-use of the homonyms, they're very clearly two different animals. If you see what I did there.

As to quoting - I tend to quote minimally, but also quote contextually - wrapping each point in the quote tag. Your point is taken, however.
 

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There is really no reason for their mis-use of the homonyms,
If you've been born and raised in the US or UK, gone to school and have been taught English for a dozen or so years, then I fully agree. However, a fair number of us on here are not English natives, and have maybe only have had formal English lessons for a year or so. If, after that, the only English you encounter is verbal (movies!) then there really is no distinction between break and brake. Or they're, their and there for the matter. So I hope you will forgive the non-native speakers on here.
 

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IMO Quoting an actual point you'd like clarified or to address is fine. Quoting a long drawn out novel of a post for one sentence, not so much. I do quote because it is not obvious to everyone.
Spelling, I could care less really. Unless I just can't discern what the hell you're saying. My time in a class room was very limited. I was on a factory floor at 15 so my spelling, grammar etc. may be a little rustic. I do try but if it bothers people, my apologies though I didn't come to a bike forum to get schooled on it either.
The font thing?? Who cares.... Just like the spelling if I can read it, good'nuf. With the rest of my life in it's usual state of shit storm things like this just don't register as an issue. Jussayin.
 

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So at this point I am stuck spending hours reading long threads to try to answer questions I may have, instead of being to simply being able to ask a question and get an answer which is why I joined the forum in the 1st place.
Hogdoc,
Try going over to:V-Strom Riders International - Index
Wealth of information on your model. May have to search but threads are on topic.

Also try: Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan | Adventure Rider

Good luck with your V.
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That's why I only asked to forgive the non-native speakers. The native speakers have no excuse.:wink2:
Unfortunately, being a good speller, I find it difficult to understand why others can't spell.

(My first report card from school in 1954 shows I got 100% in spelling.)
 

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...This is something that has made me cringe forever. There is really no reason for their mis-use of the homonyms, they're very clearly two different animals.....
GreyWolf was being intentionally punny and politely pointing out how often posters misuse the two words.

Wasn't he?
 

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While I understand using quotes increases the size of the post as Greywolf stated, not using the quote does not associate your post/reply to a particular post.

As my profile shows I joined the forum in January 2018 immediately after buying my 2003 DL1000. There are many things about this bike that I don't know and have questions. For the most part my inquiries have gone unanswered, the only time I actually got an answer was from a personal message I sent to Greywolf.

Even that was met with a degree of criticism as Greywolf stated he would answer my question but in the future wanted me to post questions to the open forum. That's great but at that point I had received no response for the forum and that's why I directed my question to Greywolf via private message.

Maybe I don't have something setup correctly so I see posts in response to my questions or posts. So at this point I am stuck spending hours reading long threads to try to answer questions I may have, instead of being to simply being able to ask a question and get an answer which is why I joined the forum in the 1st place.
Hi Hogdoc,

Welcome aboard!

First of all it looks like you have a ton of experience and know you way around bikes and will be a great asset here!

Sorry for quoting the whole message but I just went thought all the messages and want to make a few comments. I am a firm believer in quoting but feel that restraint is often needed. (You haven;'t done this but I sometime see people quoting a big long message and replying something no much more than "I agree."


I only saw a couple of your messages that you didn't get replies to. The questions you asked seemed to be asking specific people for a comment and in one case the thread was very old (perhaps 10 years or more) in the other the post you quoted was a year old. Likely those people have moved on or haven't been on for a while. One of the question was about a specific windshield on a bike that is 15 model years old there just simply might not be anyone with knowledge about that windshield combo with Madstad (FWIW I am a big believer in Madstad Brackets.. they have cured buffeting in all three of my Stroms with both Stock Windshield (and on my two DL650's with old-style Givi Large windshield.)

One thing I do that helps me keep track is I logon and start with "user CP". This will show all the threads you have subscribed to with new messages so as long as you have "subscribe to threads you have posted in" (which I believe is a default on this board.) Even if people didn't quote your message but posted in the thread you will see the tread.


If Greywolf was a little short please be aware he is dying right now of Cancer and his patience runs a little thin. He gets tons of private messages every day from users asking specific information that usually could be better asked in a forum. He has been a great asset to the Strom world and we be sorely missed

Anyway don't know if this helps you a bit but please continue to ask questions!

..Tom
 
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