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I have been researching jackets for the past few months trying to make a decision on which to get. I feel like what I am looking for does not exist or is extremely expensive. I have watched what feels like every video review on every single jacket out there. I have read through so many threads on different forums.

Please help me out as I am on information overload.

What I am looking for:
1. Outer shell waterproof with waterproof zippers. I do not want a waterproof inner liner. Would prefer Goretex but that runs the price up. Surely there is an alternative!
2. Very good ventilation - would like a 4 season jacket with a emphasis on warmer weather.
3. 3/4 fit in a high viz color
4. Thermal inner liner.
5. Fully adjustable
6. Descent armor
7. Not ridiculously expensive - this is probably the problem! :argue: Did I mention I am cheap!

Anything else to recommend to look for in a jacket?
 

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cake and eat it too?

seriously though, i'm not sure of which jacket fits your bill, but check out motorcyclecloseouts.com. i've bought from them a couple of times and their "insanity deals" are truly insane, as in $180 off a shoei helmet with free shipping.
 

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I've been doing the same search for the past few months and had the exact same requirements as you except for the inexpensive part, I was willing to spend what was needed to get the right jacket. In all hobbies I've found that when spend what is necessary for gear that meets my requirements I end up with things I'm happy with that last a long time.

I had it narrowed down to the Rev'it Poseidon GTX and the Klim Badlands Pro.

I got an email from Revzilla the other day that all Rev'it gear was 15% off, so I took a ride to their store in Philly to buy a jacket.

The Poseidon in large was a bit snug in the forearms and just didn't feel right.

The Klim Badlands pro was an awesome jacket in every way except the collar. It was real tight in the front and too tall in the back.

The staff at Revzilla suggested I check out the Klim Latitude Misano. It was less expensive than the other two jackets and it fit perfectly! Klim Latitude Misano Hi Vis Jacket - RevZilla

Klims come with a back protector, in this case a D3O but do not come with thermal liners. An inexpensive fleece is warmer and better made than most of the thermal liners I've seen.
 

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You would be hard pressed to come up with a better description of a FirstGear Kilimanjaro.
 

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1) and 2) is almost a oxymoron....

Any Gore-tex outer shell restrict airflow especially at lower speeds, regardless of the marketing hype.

How often do u need to ride in wet weather? does your wet weather happen more in in cooler times?


Have you consider a more mesh based jacket and a separate rain jacket for those occasion you ride in the rain.

Buy something that works well 90% of the time and get a separate rain jacket (maybe even a goretex one from outdoor store) for the other 10% of time you are in adverse weather.

Choose your compromise wisely and you will be happier more of the time.
 

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I definitely want my cake...

I already have the Olympia Horizon rain gear so I certainly can use that for the waterproofing but I was sort of looking for something waterproof and not have to wear it unless I was in a multi day monsoon of sorts or back up.

The FirstGear Kili is definitely on my radar. The Tourmaster Transition 3 was as well but I think I will rule that one off because I don't want a waterproof liner. I want the exterior to be waterproof. The Klim is very nice but pushing what I want to spend.

My biggest problem is I really want to be able to try stuff on but there is not much for retailers near me. I have worn the Tourmaster and like the fit there.
 

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I have a Firstgear Kenya.
The one weak spot is warm temp ventilation.
It's ok..... not great.
You won't get EVERYTHING in one jacket. If you could, EVERYONE would have whichever jacket did EVERYTHING.
The kenya (I liked the fit better than the Kilimanjaro ) does the dry part really well.
It does the keep you warm part really well with the zip-out thermal liner.
It does the armor part really well.
It does the adjustablity/fit part really well.
It's pretty well vented, but if it gets real hot...... well that's where you'll probably want a different jacket.
 

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You would be hard pressed to come up with a better description of a FirstGear Kilimanjaro.

I totally concur. :thumbup: It is excellent quality and feels like a suit of armour while being very comfortable. I bought a 4th gen version on closeout for $149.00. I really didn't need a new jacket but it was such a good buy that my wife even insisted I get it. :jawdrop: I have worn it in single digits F. and up to 90 deg f. I use a Warm & Safe 4th gen heated jacket liner in the winter.

http://firstgear-usa.com/mens-gear/kilimanjaro-men-jacket.html

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/firstgear-kilimanjaro-jacket?gclid=CO76ydqglMACFSxk7AodwRsA5g
 

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I have and use 3 jackets: an old, wonderful, First Gear leather jacket, perhaps a Scout I; a FG Denali for definite ride in the rain; and a Joe Rocket Leather Mesh for warm/hot. Both FG have insulated liners. The Denali is not Gore-Tex but has never leaked and it has lots of vents, as does the leather FG. The Mesh is ok in cool mornings with a wind proof vest. I use a heated jacket liner below 50 deg. I can't imagine having one jacket. Lord Smoke has a good point about the FG Kili, probably as good as gets. But Mathew, with all those bikes on your masthead, you sure aren't cheap and you already had jillions of jackets and by now you must found one you liked. Name it.
 

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1) and 2) is almost a oxymoron....

Any Gore-tex outer shell restrict airflow especially at lower speeds, regardless of the marketing hype.

How often do u need to ride in wet weather? does your wet weather happen more in in cooler times?


Have you consider a more mesh based jacket and a separate rain jacket for those occasion you ride in the rain.

Buy something that works well 90% of the time and get a separate rain jacket (maybe even a goretex one from outdoor store) for the other 10% of time you are in adverse weather.

Choose your compromise wisely and you will be happier more of the time.

AceRider... awesome post. arrow in the eye.


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I'll also vote firstgear Kili. That'll take you up to 85-90, but add a mesh jacket for summer (mine is also FG) and the Kili can wait for what it's best at: days with highs below 80.
 

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my two jackets

both well used off Craigslist.

Firstgear Speed - no longer made,

and

Tourmaster Transition in hiviz

I like them both

I mostly wear the Firstgear here in the S.F. Bay Area, Calif., because its not cold too much and rains very little
 

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1...I have more experience in ski clothing. The only products that work as well or better than Goretex cost more, such as Schoeller NanoSphere.

4...Buy a fleece jacket as a liner.

6...Buy better armor. Revzilla and the other have several choices. Look at SAS-TECH.
 

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1. Outer shell waterproof with waterproof zippers. I do not want a waterproof inner liner. Would prefer Goretex but that runs the price up. Surely there is an alternative!
2. Very good ventilation - would like a 4 season jacket with a emphasis on warmer weather.
3. 3/4 fit in a high viz color
4. Thermal inner liner.
5. Fully adjustable
6. Descent armor
7. Not ridiculously expensive - this is probably the problem!
Firstgear Kathmandu.

I did your research. You will NOT find a jacket which meets all of your criteria better (except hi-vis). I know, because I desperately looked for it.

I got mine on motorcycle closeouts for about $260. Years ago I would've thought that was crazy expensive. Now I just compare it to Klim or BMW gear and it looks like a bargain.
 

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Love my Tourmaster Transition III high viz, and what is this waterproof inner liner you speak of? To my understanding the outer shell is the waterproof barrier, and I think it ventilates most excellent in warm to hot weather, I had a II for 7 years and that jacket is still wearing well, although has lost its waterproof qualities. If there is a better all around jacket for the money than the III, I would like to hear that argument.
 

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Love my Tourmaster Transition III high viz, and what is this waterproof inner liner you speak of? To my understanding the outer shell is the waterproof barrier, and I think it ventilates most excellent in warm to hot weather, I had a II for 7 years and that jacket is still wearing well, although has lost its waterproof qualities. If there is a better all around jacket for the money than the III, I would like to hear that argument.
My Tourmaster has a waterproof liner which is sandwiched between the outer and inner layers. It's not removeable, but it's still a liner. That means it doesn't breathe (altho Tourmaster's "pipeline" venting flows LOTS of air), and the outside fabric gets waterlogged.

When I rode to work in the rain with the Tourmaster, I'd have to hang my jacket up in the shower and it would drip all day long. The Kathmandu you just shake once and it's dry.
 

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My Tourmaster has a waterproof liner which is sandwiched between the outer and inner layers. It's not removeable, but it's still a liner. That means it doesn't breathe (altho Tourmaster's "pipeline" venting flows LOTS of air), and the outside fabric gets waterlogged.

When I rode to work in the rain with the Tourmaster, I'd have to hang my jacket up in the shower and it would drip all day long. The Kathmandu you just shake once and it's dry.
Ah....OK that makes a bit more sense, yeah they are quite the drippers. :mrgreen: The Kathmandu is a fantastic jacket for sure, actually almost bought one over the T III.
 

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There is no such thing as a "hot weather" 4-seasons jacket. I've seen 3-season jackets for Spring-Winter-Fall, and Spring-Summer-Fall 3 season jackets. I've even seen 4 season jackets. But, NEVER a "hot weather" 4 season jacket. Even if you throw out every other requirement you've got, and just focus on this one, you will NEVER find a jacket that meets that one requirement.

You're overthinking your wants and UNDERthinking reality.
Just for the sake of the argument, let's say your dream jacket existed.

#1. Do you think it would be in your budget? Reality check says NO, as such technology/materials would be VERY expensive. Not to mention that company that makes it would realize they have created the holy grail of MC jackets, and would price it accordingly. They sure wouldn't sell it for $199

#2. If said dream jacket did exist...and was affordable...wouldn't EVERYONE have one (why would anyone ride in anything else)? And thusly wouldn't you have heard/read about it or noticed that 99.9% of all riders are wearing this ONE jacket?

You're stuck in Analysis-paralysis, come back to reality.
 

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I don't reckon one jacket can do all year weather. I have 4 jackets I use from armored mesh in summer, to my trusty leather one when it starts to cool down, to my Dainese textile when I need to wear a wind cheater underneath, and then my Dririder for winter.
Good luck on your search though!
 
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