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Hi everyone. I am attracted to this type of bike but have a few reservations that I'm hoping some of you experienced Vee & Wee owners can put to rest.

I'm 5'9" with a 32" inseam, I have sat on both the 1000 and 650. With my right foot on the peg I can easily flat foot with my left while keeping the bike dead straight. With both feet down I can't quite make it to get completely flat on both feet, but still no problem.

I've owned a number of bikes and currently own a Honda Sabre 1100. I bought it because my wife will occasionally pillion and she was not comfortable or simply would not ride on other bikes I've had. I added a mustang seat and a backrest and it made things somewhat more comfortable for her. The problem is this is not my kind of bike, in making a change I would like to preserve the option of having my wife as a pillion occasionally. She is 5'5" also with a 32" inseam.

(i) I'm concerned about the height of the Wee or Vee for a passenger getting on it. Is it a pain for a passenger to mount and dis-mount especially with panniers and a top box?

(ii) Is the top box an effective backrest? it looks somewhat flimsy.

(iii) given my height and inseam will the passenger feel that the bike is unsteady while mounting and dis-mounting?

(iv) is it a comfortable bike for a pillion? I'm leaning towards the 650.

I know I'm being overly focused on passenger comfort for a very occasional pillion, but I don't want to take this away from my wife, but I can't live with the bikes that make two up real comfy if ya know what I mean.

I'm hoping to benefit from your real world experience. Thanks folks!
 

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Passenger comfort is very important to me. My wife started riding with me 30+ years ago when we were college kids. She still rides with me.

She tells me that my Strom is too ugly to be seen on, but she'll put up with it. Also tells me that it's probably the most comfortable bike for her that she's ever been on. I have the little passenger backrest from Cherdan.

(i) I'm concerned about the height of the Wee or Vee for a passenger getting on it. Is it a pain for a passenger to mount and dis-mount especially with panniers and a top box?

We don't have a top box on our 650, or panniers. The seat is higher than normal but even at 50+ years of age, she climbs right up there, no problem. Might be tougher with a top box or panniers, not sure.

(ii) Is the top box an effective backrest? it looks somewhat flimsy.

Don't know.

(iii) given my height and inseam will the passenger feel that the bike is unsteady while mounting and dis-mounting?

Good question. I'm 6 feet tall and the bike is very steady for my lady, but I'm flat footing it with both feet while she's climbing aboard.

(iv) is it a comfortable bike for a pillion? I'm leaning towards the 650.

She tells me it's very comfortable, and she feels very secure back there. The backrest from Cherdan made a huge difference for her.

You didn't ask this - but power from the 650 is quite adequate for two up riding as well, even in the mountains.

Hope this helps. Guy
 

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I'm also 5'9" with a 32" inseam. I have a DL1000 and with a little practice I was comfortable 2 up. I borrowed a sargent seat from a buddy and it sat me down about an inch and I was flat footing on both feet. Tomorrow I am trying out a Corbin seat and will report back if you are interested....

I have a givi top-box with the back rest, My G/F's jackets all have soft back armor and she says the backrest isn't necessary, Also the topbox kept her feeling secure on the back of the bike while I did some maneuvering to avoid a drunk cager here in vegas. As far as mounting the beast from either centerstand or kick stand I step on the left peg and throw my leg over the whole thing. Then, while standing upright, both feet planted, She steps on the peg, throws her other leg over the box and settles right into the riding position. I was fortunate enough to be able to borrow both a 650 and 1k from a friend to ride for a couple of days and found for 2 up the 1k was the way to go... But, I am a lard ass....

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Leave the bike on the side stand and have the passenger mount by stepping onto the left footrest then throwing her leg over just like getting on a horse. Dead simple, no balance problems and rock solid. You stand the bike up once the passenger is comfortable and settled.

As far as the top box being a back rest is concerned that will largely depend on the passenger and the actual top box fitted and how it's fitted. With the Givi units many people have a lot of passengers find them to be too far forward and force the passenger into a more upright position than they would ideally like. It's simple to redo the mounting and move the box back a bit if that is the case.
 

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(i) I'm concerned about the height of the Wee or Vee for a passenger getting on it. Is it a pain for a passenger to mount and dis-mount especially with panniers and a top box?

Mount while it's on the stand. Not always elegant, but effective

(ii) Is the top box an effective backrest? it looks somewhat flimsy.

Depends on the top box, I've had no problems with the cheap top boxes, they work well.
Most have mounting plates that allow some room for negotiation - mount the box further back.

(iii) given my height and inseam will the passenger feel that the bike is unsteady while mounting and dis-mounting?

Have someone in a catching position and practice. You can lower the DL's easilly and fairly inexpensively as well. Consider that as an option for the first few months.

(iv) is it a comfortable bike for a pillion? I'm leaning towards the 650.

Yes - short of a big touring bike you won't get much better.
 

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Thanks for the responses, I really appreciate them, and am very encouraged by them :)

@cascade wanderer - thank you, that's very helpful to know that your lady finds the bike very comfortable and the idea of a back rest rather than a top box is a great idea!

@MedPlt - Yes I would love to know how the Corbin seat works out for you, and thanks for the insight on the mounting technique and that the top box adds to the feeling of security.

@K1W1 - that's a great option to consider i.e. to leave the bike on it's side stand, hadn't really considered that, same with the top box positioning to increase comfort.

@PeteW - Nice to have someone echo the sidestand option, and confirm passenger comfort. It's also good to know that more expensive top boxes may not be required.
 

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Leave the bike on the side stand and have the passenger mount by stepping onto the left footrest then throwing her leg over just like getting on a horse. Dead simple, no balance problems and rock solid. You stand the bike up once the passenger is comfortable and settled.
At the risk of being beaten to death, I'd have to argue that. With the rider on first, he/she can balance the bike so the passenger can step onto one peg and swing their leg over to a seated position. I've always mounted the bike first and not one of my passengers has had an issue getting onboard.

The Strom is a beautiful bike for both the rider and passenger, you won't regret buying one.
 

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At the risk of being beaten to death, I'd have to argue that. With the rider on first, he/she can balance the bike so the passenger can step onto one peg and swing their leg over to a seated position. I've always mounted the bike first and not one of my passengers has had an issue getting onboard.

The Strom is a beautiful bike for both the rider and passenger, you won't regret buying one.
Oh wait... I thought they were suggesting that the side stand be used as an addtional source of stability not instead of the driver. If not, I agree with you that would be asking for trouble.

Seems everyone loves their Stroms :thumbup:
 

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Hi everyone. I am attracted to this type of bike but have a few reservations that I'm hoping some of you experienced Vee & Wee owners can put to rest.
Hi! Hope we can help :)

(i) I'm concerned about the height of the Wee or Vee for a passenger getting on it. Is it a pain for a passenger to mount and dis-mount especially with panniers and a top box?

(ii) Is the top box an effective backrest? it looks somewhat flimsy.

(iii) given my height and inseam will the passenger feel that the bike is unsteady while mounting and dis-mounting?

(iv) is it a comfortable bike for a pillion? I'm leaning towards the 650.

I know I'm being overly focused on passenger comfort for a very occasional pillion, but I don't want to take this away from my wife, but I can't live with the bikes that make two up real comfy if ya know what I mean.

I'm hoping to benefit from your real world experience. Thanks folks!
(i) I have ridden two-up with my wife (5'11"), my step-daughter (5'9" and in her mid-twenties), my daughter (5'0" and ten years old) and my mom (5'7"). None of them have had any problems mounting or dismounting the bike, with or without the Pelican cases on my side-carriers.

(ii) That would probably depend on the top box you install, but I suspect any decent top box (Trax, Givi, Coocase, etc.) would be plenty sturdy.

(iii) As K1W1 said, with the sidestand down, it's rock solid.

(iv) That depends upon what you want to do and how far you want to go. I've carried passengers on short trips around town and the surrounding area, and my passengers have been happy. The pillion's got to be way more comfortable on the Wee than on my wife's S40 Boulevard. If you are going to spend a month touring the country, however, it's probably not the best choice :biggrinjester:

Anyway, taking time to find a bike that you AND your wife enjoy riding is a good thing. Best of luck in your search!
 

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With the rider on first, he/she can balance the bike so the passenger can step onto one peg and swing their leg over to a seated position.
Agreed, I want control of the bike when the passenger mounts. Also much easier to get the bike upright without a passenger aboard.
 

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My shrimpy 5'-1" wife loves riding on the Wee, now that I have a cheap-azz Bestem Top Box [it's actually quite a nice box for the price of $70]. She likes having it as a 'seatback' - or it's more of a security blanket thing. I have short legs, 32" inseam, and don't really have any issues with my passenger. I'll have the bike on the centerstand, hop on, then have her get on. Once on , a slight weight shift forward and the bike is back down ready to roll - easy! FWIW, My custom Rick Mayer seat is actually taller than the stocker, and I don't have any seat height concerns at all.
 

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@TheWall - thanks for sharing that cross section of rider sizes and ages that you've had on your bike, that gives me a very good idea that most likely my concerns are unfounded.

@ozart - I'm pretty sure the suggestion is to have the rider on the bike, and leave the side stand down while the passenger is boarding. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the passenger get on the bike without the driver aboard first. At least that's how I'm reading it...
 

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My shrimpy 5'-1" wife loves riding on the Wee, now that I have a cheap-azz Bestem Top Box [it's actually quite a nice box for the price of $70]. She likes having it as a 'seatback' - or it's more of a security blanket thing. I have short legs, 32" inseam, and don't really have any issues with my passenger. I'll have the bike on the centerstand, hop on, then have her get on. Once on , a slight weight shift forward and the bike is back down ready to roll - easy! FWIW, My custom Rick Mayer seat is actually taller than the stocker, and I don't have any seat height concerns at all.
Thanks for all the info jokermtb, I can tell even with the helmet on that your wife looks pretty happy back there. That image really puts an exclamation mark on everything you said. :thumbup:
 

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I will say that I cannot get both feet absolutely flat on the ground. I can get my forefeet to both touch, but for the most part, I rarely do that unless I'm trying to impersonate a drag racer launching off the line, dragging my toes the whole way....

But, right foot down, no problemo!
 

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I just got my first V and love it for riding alone or with my girl. It is a bit tall for me(5'8") but i am looking in to get a lower seat. As far as a passenger goes.....my girl abosloutly LOVES it...super comfy she says..so much she sometimes wants to take a nap...I guess that means I have to hit the throttle a little more in the twisties!
 

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I will say that I cannot get both feet absolutely flat on the ground. I can get my forefeet to both touch, but for the most part, I rarely do that unless I'm trying to impersonate a drag racer launching off the line, dragging my toes the whole way....

But, right foot down, no problemo!
haha the drag racer image is funny, nice! Yeah that's pretty much me too, the balls of my feet touch the ground if I put both feet down. One foot on the peg and the other flat no problem.
 

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I just got my first V and love it for riding alone or with my girl. It is a bit tall for me(5'8") but i am looking in to get a lower seat. As far as a passenger goes.....my girl abosloutly LOVES it...super comfy she says..so much she sometimes wants to take a nap...I guess that means I have to hit the throttle a little more in the twisties!
Thanks for the info. RDwarrior, whatever way you decide to wake up your girl keep it fun and safe :)

I'm not sure, but I have heard that the V and Wee seats are interchangeable, so if you can find a Wee owner to trade with your Vee seat you'll gain about an inch.
 

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I'm 5' 6" 165lbs. w/30" inseam. I can only get the tips of my boots on the ground at the same time. Forks raised about 15mm or so, minimum pre-load on the rear shock, BMS seat (leather) that might be slightly lower, but the extra width negated that change. There is no way I can hold the bike up when the passenger mounts and dismounts because I have basically NO FOOTING. Adjusting the rear pre-load for the passenger weight only makes this worse when they are not actually on the bike.

I rarely have taken a passenger until just this weekend. I took a friend of mine (5' 8" 160lbs w/32" inseam) on a 180 mile ride. Several concerns of hers (and mine) are that she slides into me on stops and in general said the seat seemed to slope forward. Could be the BMS though. Also that she can't push back with her legs when stopping because the pegs are not far enough forward....which also caused her left leg to fall asleep!!

Altogether with the problems I have on the bike alone, I sometimes think about getting another kind of bike......but there really isn't anything out there that interests me! While I can flat-foot a cruiser, I just can't see myself actually owning and riding one. Don't like the forward controls, etc.
 
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